Gallowgate Toon Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Just now, The College Dropout said: Aye but all of his starts in games apart from Chelsea (due to injuries) have been at LW. Last season he was behind Joelinton, Isak and ASM for LW minutes but Howe wanted to give him minutes so he put him places. I want him to play RW but the fact he’s not played a single minute there this season doesn’t indicate to me that is the current plan. Not even 20 minutes. It's a very early and a small sample from this season to definitively say that Howe's only plan for 2 relatively big purchases is that they won't play in the same team together. He's referenced Gordon's versatility when he signed him as well: "He will give us a lot. He's a young player with huge attributes, huge potential, to have a big impact on our season. A very quick, dynamic player, who's versatile and can play off both sides. The best is yet to come from him." Miggy's place is by no means locked down which we saw that at the back end of last season. Barnes is too specialist for the right I think but I don't see any reason why Gordon wouldn't ever be in the mix. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said: It's a very early and a small sample from this season to definitively say that Howe's only plan for 2 relatively big purchases is that they won't play in the same team together. He's referenced Gordon's versatility when he signed him as well: "He will give us a lot. He's a young player with huge attributes, huge potential, to have a big impact on our season. A very quick, dynamic player, who's versatile and can play off both sides. The best is yet to come from him." Miggy's place is by no means locked down which we saw that at the back end of last season. Barnes is too specialist for the right I think but I don't see any reason why Gordon wouldn't ever be in the mix. I agree. And I hope that’s the plan. But I haven’t seen any actual evidence of that. In 3 very different fixtures we didn’t give it a go for even 10 minutes. So far Howe has been pretty rigid in our formation and substitutions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Just now, The College Dropout said: I agree. And I hope that’s the plan. But I haven’t seen any actual evidence of that. In 3 very different fixtures we didn’t give it a go for even 10 minutes. So far Howe has been pretty rigid in our formation and substitutions. To be fair, there are lots of things we've not tried that we did last season - I'm sure that'll be down to the squad not being on a level playing field yet for fitness/sharpness/tactics. Barnes is new to our way of playing and missed preseason games so will be short of fitness. While Gordon looks in good shape, he's a player that's historically gassed out at about 70 mins so they might be trying to build up that extra level of fitness for him to stay on and move to another position when we look to make subs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I personally don’t agree with that approach. These games count. If performances levels are still high and a player is a little tired you take the risk to secure the result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 hours ago, TRon said: Unfortunately, due to our FFP restrictions, we've had to prioritise other positions. If we were allowed to spend freely I have no doubt we'd have brought in Diaby or someone of a similar stature with a bit more defensive responsibility. We bought 2 LW’s over the course of 2 transfer windows with the cheapest costing a reported £7 million though. If we wanted Diaby we could have gone for him instead of Barnes, who is looking like being an expensive back up to Gordon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: We bought 2 LW’s over the course of 2 transfer windows with the cheapest costing a reported £7 million though. If we wanted Diaby we could have gone for him instead of Barnes, who is looking like being an expensive back up to Gordon. Yes we could have got Diaby instead of Barnes, I don't think anyone can dispute it, but obviously Howe likes Barnes more. It really comes down to who the manager thinks will fit our system best, and both Gordon and Barnes were long term targets. I'm assuming Howe doesn't rate Diaby's defensive contributions, and that would rule him out for our playing style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Gallowgate Toon said: Howe hasn't bought Gordon and Barnes to exclusively fight for one position - I think Howe is pretty happy with the wing options he has and there's tactical flexibility there for when he wants to explore it. Whether that's right or wrong will be proven over the next few months but he's dropped/rotated Miggy before and will again as his limitations don't suit every match. If we played Sunday's game halfway through the season with the same squad, I don't think Miggy plays the full 90 either. There's also a case of what happens when Willock is back as the two Joe's seemed his first choice setup on that left hand side last season and worked really well. Probably get a much better idea after the International break when we have a much kinder run of fixtures. Could definitely see Barnes and Gordon starting together in some of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fezzle Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Think people are over reading the gordon/barnes thing. We have played 3 of last seasons top 6, obviously howe wasn't making many changes and values miggys workrate(Gordon's too) no doubt we will see them both start more soon, hall too but it's as hard a start as it gets. Certain amount of known quantity with his selections. Dare say fully fit longstaff or willock may have had tonali wait too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 Surprised no one has come in with a bid to be frank Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Mate he doesn’t often beat defenders 1v1, he’s not an incisive passer. He simply isn’t going to open teams up with his ability on a regular basis. He doesn’t offer much threat in build up. He has great movement and often gets himself into great positions to create or score. But he lacks the quality to consistently capitalise with a final ball or composed finish. I think he lacks the ability to consistently finish the good chances he gets. I can see him being streaky when his confidence is up. But won’t be able to maintain it. My mates try and tell me Howe will be sacked if we don’t get top 4. I reject it - we are still starting Almiron. He has some great attributes but do you think he’s a top 4 player? Murphy seems to be his backup. We got Dan Burn and a kid at LB. Dan Burn and Lascelles as backup CBs. We’ve not got a single creative midfielder type player. So far it’s looking like Anthony Gordon. Based on the quality of the squad and its demands 6th-7th wouldn’t be unreasonable depending on how things pan out. You and your “top four player” paradigm again. If we were to take your view on this our squad only counts three, perhaps four top four players, yet over the last year and a half Eddie Howe had players like Almiron, like Joelinton and like Burn compete at top four level, whereas various Chelsea managers had players like Enzo Fernandez, Joao Felix, Reece James and Raheem Sterling performing like midtable players, quite literally. Almiron has a place in our system and has contributed significantly to our performance level over the past 1.5 year. This may be hard for you to grasp looking at his attributes, strengths and weaknesses, but football is not just a game of technical skill. Edited August 30, 2023 by Unbelievable Typo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Unbelievable said: You and your “top four player” paradigm again. If we were to take your view on this our squad only counts three, perhaps four top four players, yet over the last year and a half Eddie Howe had players like Almiron, like Joelinton and like Burn compete at top four level, whereas various Chelsea managers had players like Enzo Fernandez, Joao Felix, Reece James and Raheem Sterling performing like midfield players, quite literally. Almiron has a place in our system and has contributed significantly to our performance level over the past 1.5 year. This may be hard for you to grasp looking at his attributes, strengths and weaknesses, but football is not just a game of technical skill. If only he was a cute baller he'd be a top 4 player for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 should be using murphy a lot more as an alternative, especially as a sub. presses, tracks back and crosses. finishing is improving also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 (edited) If it wasn't for Almirons purple patch last year, and we had the 2023 Almiron during that patch, we would definetly not have made top 4. Unfortunately it's probably unlikely that he will have that patch this season, but you never know. So basically we can't rely on that happening again, we need other players to step up this time around. Edited August 30, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Unbelievable said: You and your “top four player” paradigm again. If we were to take your view on this our squad only counts three, perhaps four top four players, yet over the last year and a half Eddie Howe had players like Almiron, like Joelinton and like Burn compete at top four level, whereas various Chelsea managers had players like Enzo Fernandez, Joao Felix, Reece James and Raheem Sterling performing like midtable players, quite literally. Almiron has a place in our system and has contributed significantly to our performance level over the past 1.5 year. This may be hard for you to grasp looking at his attributes, strengths and weaknesses, but football is not just a game of technical skill. I’ve repeated a lot. That Almiron is a good member of the squad and anyone that replaces him, needs to have 80% of his attributes (pressing, off the ball movement, stamina etc) or else they won’t fit the system. That’s giving him credit. But his skill set is limited. As good as he’s been under Howe how many goals and assists as he had outside of that hot 9 game period? And even then I still think he’s a valuable squad member. His pressing is the gold standard. But the squad needs more quality down the right sooner or later. It’s a weakness of our current line up and sub routes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 20 minutes ago, Erikse said: If it wasn't for Almirons purple patch last year, and we had the 2023 Almiron during that patch, we would definetly not have made top 4. Unfortunately it's probably unlikely that he will have that patch this season, but you never know. So basically we can't rely on that happening again, we need other players to step up this time around. I think he gets on the end of so many good opportunities that if 2-3 go in consecutively he may go on 4-5-6. With that extra bit of confidence and assuredness a couple goals gives a player. But you can’t rely on that over a season. You need a genuine option that’s not Murphy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 Came off injured apparently for Paraguay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) If he comes out of the team because of this, people will - fairly - say it's not a legit comparison because of the strength of our first 4 opponents. But I'd really like to see Murphy or perhaps someone else start on the right. I think it'll be a big contribution to getting us out of this rut. Edited September 8, 2023 by 80 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikky Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, 80 said: If he comes out of the team because of this, people will - fairly - say it's not a legit comparison because of the strength of our first 4 opponents. But I'd really like to see Murphy or perhaps someone else start on the right. I think it'll be a bit contribution to getting us out of this rut. Would like to see Gordon on right - Joe or Barnes on left - Isak as 10 - a Wilson up top Bruno and Tonali holding Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mikky said: Would like to see Gordon on right - Joe or Barnes on left - Isak as 10 - a Wilson up top Bruno and Tonali holding Gordon on the right seems natural but slightly concerned about it just because Howe has shown no inclination to put him there. I hope we manage him carefully to get the best out of him rather than just lobbing him in and have him return to being a whipping boy if our poor form continues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2023 Share Posted September 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Mikky said: Would like to see Gordon on right - Joe or Barnes on left - Isak as 10 - a Wilson up top Bruno and Tonali holding From what I saw of Gordon last year he seemed far more effective on the right. The cross for tonali v villa was probably the first time I've seen him cross it left footed, but obviously he likes to come inside which for me is only effective if you have a dynamic LB behind him to provide width. The whole left side was absolutely dead against Brighton (not that the rest of the field was enjoying much success) Without willock or isak playing left there's nobody running down the channel and going outside. For me, whilst willock is out I think isak has to play left side, after all he's wasted in the middle if he can't get involved. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 The confidence Gordon has right now I think he could play either wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted September 9, 2023 Share Posted September 9, 2023 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 On 12/07/2023 at 08:55, TBG said: 15+ goals coming up 5+ assists coming up You heard it here first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Thought he was a bit quiet today but took his game well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted September 24, 2023 Share Posted September 24, 2023 Him scoring was important. Let’s see another purple patch now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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