Miguel Almirón (now playing for Atlanta United)

[mouldy_uk]

If you remove emotion from the situation, he has 6 assists (yes I know that’s just one metric), in 165 PL games.

On average he’s just nowhere near good enough to be a regular top six starter, but as always the key question is ‘who replaces him’? I’d rather keep him if we don’t have a ready made replacement coming in and we’d be mad to sell him with no one coming in (as he has managed to avoid the injury curse thus far) 

[DahnSahf]

1 hour ago, Holmesy said:

I'd absolutely snap anyone's hand off for that kind of fee, if i was the board

 

Slightly unfortunate choice of words, perhaps. ?

[Guest reefatoon]

9 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

Ideal situation for me is we get whoever we need in this window, Miggy stays for the last part of the season and fires us in to the top 6, deal made end of the year with Saudi club for the same money we'd have got if he'd went this January, Miggy says his goodbyes at the Brighton game (Home win, Miggy goal) to Wor Miggy flags everywhere. 

Soppy cunt 

[joeyt]

 

 

 

[mattypnufc]

Craig NoHope strikes again

[Shearergol]

Just now, mattypnufc said:

Craig NoHope strikes again

 

Depends on your stance on this. Some people would be happy to keep our players.

[Armchair Pundit]

Would miss Miggy's smile and enthusiasm, in terms of effort he's a model pro really isn't he.

[MrRaspberryJam]

1 minute ago, Armchair Pundit said:

Would miss Miggy's smile and enthusiasm, in terms of effort he's a model pro really isn't he.

 

He only smiles when he's blazed a shot over the bar from 8 yards.

[mattypnufc]

Just now, Shearergol said:

 

Depends on your stance on this. Some people would be happy to keep our players.

I'm happy to keep Tripps, however decent money comes in for him, 33 year old, it'd be a worthwhile sale.

 

Miggy on the otherhand, £30m, free's up around £150m for transfers.  Its a no brainer.

[Guest reefatoon]

1 minute ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

 

He only smiles when he's blazed a shot over the bar from 8 yards.

Aye he’s charmed a few with that old trick 

[loki679]

He's probably at the peak of his value and he's only got one foot so I'd be OK with us cashing in and getting a better replacement. 

 

RW is a position that we should have upgraded on last summer. 

[nufcnick]

15 minutes ago, mattypnufc said:

 

Miggy on the otherhand, £30m, free's up around £150m for transfers.  Its a no brainer.

Not quite £150m as you need to take wages and agents fees into account, £30m would allow a spend of about 2 £50m players on £120k a week each over 5 years.

 

 

Edited January 23, 2024 by nufcnick

[FLUMPO235]

1 minute ago, nufcnick said:

Not quite £150m as you need to take wages into account, £30m would allow a spend of about 2 £50m players on £120k a week each over 5 years.

If you can’t be bothered don’t worry. But could you explain how that works out with the maths involved? 

[nufcnick]

16 minutes ago, FLUMPO235 said:

If you can’t be bothered don’t worry. But could you explain how that works out with the maths involved? 

transfer fees
2x 50m = £100m / 5 = £20m (per year amortisation)

Wages per year 

£120k x 52 =£6.2m x2 = £12.4 

Total of £32.4m 

 

miggy sale

£30m  transfer fee received (no amortisation left as over 5 years at club) 

wages saved £3.1m per year (£60k per week) 

 

 

Edited January 23, 2024 by nufcnick

[thomas]

Jesus Christ 

[Kid Icarus]

I hate each and every one of you

[AyeDubbleYoo]

If it’s that easy to spread the cost of big signings you would think you could do it without selling players. 
 

Surely FFP has to be more sophisticated than selling 30m allows you to spend 150m? 
 

I am by no means an accountant

 

 

Edited January 23, 2024 by AyeDubbleYoo

[TRon]

2 hours ago, 54 said:

Am I the only one who thinks £30m is a fair price for him? Given he has 14 Premier League goals and 3 assists in a season and a half, and is a regular for a club that got in the Champions League last season.

 

If he was worth £30m then surely someone outside of SA would have offered us £26m at least. He's verging on 30 years old by the way, you might want to factor that in.

[nufcnick]

11 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

If it’s that easy to spread the cost of big signings you would think you could do it without selling players. 

It is that easy and it’s the way it has worked since 2013, the problem is you can only spend what you earn allowing for a loss of up to £35m per year, our problem is we have started from such a low base due to lack of investment, meaning we’re maxed out on our amortisation and losses per year just trying to catch up, a sale of £30m player that has been here over 5 years(so no amortisation) means that £30m comes straight off in one big lump, academy players are also pure profit when sold(that’s what allowed Chelsea to spend so much)

 

 

Edited January 23, 2024 by nufcnick

[simonsays]

3 minutes ago, nufcnick said:

It is that easy, the problem is you can only spend what you earn allowing for a loss of up to £35m per year, our problem is we have started from such a low base due to lack of investment, meaning we’re maxed out on our amortisation and losses per year just trying to catch up, a sale of £30m player that has been here over 5 years(so no amortisation) means that £30m comes straight off in one big lump 

Surely Miggy's sale would only fund that for one season though, no?  We would need to find other income in future seasons to continue to pay the bill.

[nufcnick]

13 minutes ago, simonsays said:

Surely Miggy's sale would only fund that for one season though, no?  We would need to find other income in future seasons to continue to pay the bill.

Thats right and that’s where the adidas sponsorship comes in next season, we also have, Big Jo’s amortisation dropping off the rolling 3 year period, the problem everyone is running into now is the P&S figure hasn’t changed since 2013, so while selling a player for £30m a few years ago would balance your books for almost the whole 3 year rolling period, now selling a £30m player only balances the books for a season. 

 

 

Edited January 23, 2024 by nufcnick

[Displayname]

Yes selling players is a short term fix. But a fix nonetheless if we are expecting sponsorship deals to pick up.

[Guest]

Would argue selling players is a necessity if you want to take the next step

[Sean]

Not gonna lie, but I'll be gutted if we end up selling Trippier but keep Miggy. I've got no hate for him, but come on man.

[Chris_R]

1 hour ago, mattypnufc said:

 

Miggy on the otherhand, £30m, free's up around £150m for transfers.  Its a no brainer.

 

That's not how maths works.

 

 

It only frees up THIS YEAR's portion of £150m towards transfers. We'd then need to sell someone for £30m next year, and for the 3 years after that, to balance the books for the £150m total.  The subsequent years costs don't just magically disappear into thin air.

 

On the other side, if we've already amortised previous years' fees into the future (very likely), we may be selling Almiron to pay for previous spends.

 

What we need to do is grow revenue. Which of course we're looking to do all the time now, but that's the cure long-term, but in the mean time we've got to cut our cloth accordingly.