TRon Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 6 minutes ago, Deuce said: To be clear, it’s not Miggy’s responsibility to improve our squad by leaving. He’ll leave when he’s adequately compensated and transferring to a place he’s comfortable living. This is squarely on the club. Yep he's well within his rights. But it's also our rights as fans to cheer him when he does well, or call him out when his poor decisions end up costing us results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Did PIF give him a new contract or was it Ashley? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebelrouser Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 Would love to replace Miggy with Madueke, but will the new player have the intensity in the high press? He deserves a soft landing when he leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 10 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said: 7mil for Miggy would be a joke Wouldn’t even be that. It be nearer £5.85m as Atlanta have a sell on clause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 7 minutes ago, TRon said: Yep he's well within his rights. But it's also our rights as fans to cheer him when he does well, or call him out when his poor decisions end up costing us results. I’ll call him out for what he does on the field. Not for refusing to leave against his best interests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 8 minutes ago, TRC said: Did PIF give him a new contract or was it Ashley? It’s been said many times now that he signed a 3 and half contract last year. So PIF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 3 hours ago, johnny36 said: If we turned down 8.5 million for Almiron then I dont want Eales or Howe to mention PSR affecting us ever again..We had a chance to move on players (Trippier in Jan) and now Almiron and refused both..Cant have it both ways This makes literally no sense. He is worth a lot more than £8.5 million and selling off players for way under market value in no way helps us for PSR purposes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 3 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I think our lack of selling is a bit overblown. We had so many people to improve on or shift out, most of which aren't very saleable. Then we also had people like Wilson who entered the form of his career just as he might've been replaced. Personally I don't think we've mismanaged much and our transfer dealings have been excellent. In the specific case of Miggy, he works incredibly hard and he also had an unbelievable period of form. And there are only so many transfer windows per season and so many players you can turn over. Fair enough to argue that we should sell players like Miggy, Wilson and Murphy at the peak of their form... but that would probably cause as many objections as agreements. To say someone works incredibly hard souds like a very patronising compliment - "Gordon really creates a lot of chaces, Isak will finish those chances and get us goals, Miggy - well he really tries". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaj Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 29 minutes ago, Geogaddi said: They are both good enough to be a back up option and none of them good enough to be starting every week , wouldn't say is much between them at all yet only one of them gets abuse and that's for the reasons I mentioned above . Maybe not to the same level, but Jacob Murphy has definitely had a lot of shit off fans over the years as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 12 minutes ago, LFEE said: Wouldn’t even be that. It be nearer £5.85m as Atlanta have a sell on clause. Aren't sell on clauses usually a percentage of profit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 minute ago, Vaj said: Maybe not to the same level, but Jacob Murphy has definitely had a lot of shit off fans over the years as well. Happy to admit I thought Jacob Murphy was absolutely useless. Now I'm planning a Juicy tattoo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 3 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: Similar to Trippier, he's worth more to us than he's worth as a transfer fee unfortunately. At some point you have to pull the trigger, but the inevitability is that you'll pay a lot more to replace what you lose. Personally think £15m isn't an unreasonable asking price. it's only not unreasonable if somebody pays it - question is will he be worth more than £8.m in January onwards cos we're not selling him this window" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 minutes ago, simonsays said: Aren't sell on clauses usually a percentage of profit? not always I don't think, I read Guehi's sell on is on the whole lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny36 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 You would think they would have agreed or known his personal terms before they flew the whole way over..The Stengs transfer fell through too..They sound like chancers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 46 minutes ago, Deuce said: I’ll call him out for what he does on the field. Not for refusing to leave against his best interests. That's fine, I can understand him looking after his best interests, I'm just saying it was in our interests for him to be sold for £20m to Saudi - where incidentally he would also have got that big payday which he couldn't get from his preferred USA destination. He's entitled to look after his interests, and we as Newcastle fans are entitled to want what's best for our club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey47 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 If the bid was reduced to £7M the original one (that we accepted) can’t have been much more than 10M. Surely some other clubs might be interested around that price? Although wages might continue to prove an issue, anyone know what he’s on with that 3.5 year deal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, Deuce said: To be clear, it’s not Miggy’s responsibility to improve our squad by leaving. He’ll leave when he’s adequately compensated and transferring to a place he’s comfortable living. This is squarely on the club. Silliness, it's his sole responsibility. It's not Murphys fault no one wants him at all, so it has to be Almiron's fault as he's a bit more saleable etc !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 I said last summer that we should be moving Almiron and Wilson on, yet the majority were against it at the time, so no point in moaning about either of their contracts now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 (edited) Correct me if I’m wrong, but we had our highest scoring season in the top flight since 1992-93. So either you think that was accomplished despite Almiron, in which we might’ve well just played with 10, or you need to recognize that he might just have been integral to that success despite the fact he himself wasn’t racking up G/As. Edited August 14 by Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, LFEE said: Wouldn’t even be that. It be nearer £5.85m as Atlanta have a sell on clause. Then there is the remaining amortisation on his contract and you’re basically giving away a player to get rid of his wages, which leaves pretty much no room to replace him with a better player who will command a decent fee and, presumably, similar or higher wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 32 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: I said last summer that we should be moving Almiron and Wilson on, yet the majority were against it at the time, so no point in moaning about either of their contracts now. What? So a year ago. Some people may have wanted both to stay. A year passes, people that may have wanted them to stay previously, think they should now be moved on as the club looks to progress. But people can't moan about it, because you said a year ago they should have been sold? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 4 hours ago, Superior Acuña said: 7mil for Miggy would be a joke ..but if it freed up space to bring in a better RW...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JigsawGoesToPieces Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 On 13/08/2024 at 16:40, Geordie_once_removed said: I have no issue with Miggy, in fact I really like him as a player. I have no issue with Murphy, in fact I really like him as a player. I DO have an issue with our two RW options being Miggy and Murphy as for me they are just too similar and lack the quality to be a regular starters in a top 6/4 side. Either is an excellent bench/specific game plan option but I don't see keeping both as a viable option as it prevents us strengthening a key area of the team for three reasons. 1. We can't support in a squad of 25 with three places allocated to RW alone. 2. Keeping both means money is tied up in them that is needed due to PSR to buy that improved RW. 3. Keeping both and signing a new RW creates a blockage in our development pathway so promising attacking midfield/wingers from the youth teams would struggle to get any minutes as there would be 3 senior players all competing for the same (limited) minutes. One has to go even if that is a player I like for below their market value. Miggy and Murphy are not really players if your aspiring to be top 6-8 never mind top 4. Both are average squad players who wouldnt really improve the first XI of any of the top 10-12, they work hard but dont have the technical ability. If we keep these because they "work hard" we are not going to progress. Need to say thanks for all they have done and move them both on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 There’s a lot of people excessively hung up on nostalgia rather than progression, be that the playing squad or the stadium. Probably have a drawer full of Nokias they can’t bear to part with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 minute ago, Nucasol said: There’s a lot of people excessively hung up on nostalgia rather than progression, be that the playing squad or the stadium. Probably have a drawer full of Nokias they can’t bear to part with. It seems every player we’re rumoured to sell there’s dozens of pages on here arguing if he should go or stay, it’s tiresome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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