Miguel Almirón

[Vinny Green Balls]

30 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

If you take a away the purple patch we're looking at

 

175  games

15 goals

5 assists

 

 

Record signing at the time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

record signing in a grossly inflated market, and only because Ashley didn't spend shit. He hasn't been good, but your comments are near pure hyperbole.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

If we’ve stayed in touch since the summer it looks like he’s off. 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 20:14 by AyeDubbleYoo

[JEToon]

Just choosing to patch a chunk of a players career would be a bit weird like. 

[Andy84]

3 hours ago, Nucasol said:

Take it.

Snap.hands.off

[Lush Vlad]

£8.5m would be a great deal. I was thinking he was going to be yet another player that we would basically have to give away and then have to pay 50-75% of his wages. 
 

The fact he’s not been playing and has looked so bad the last season or so. I didn’t think anyone would be interested for more than a nominal fee. 

[Ronson333]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Can’t blame the lad for not wanting to go to Saudi Arabia tbf

Depends on how much a good life in Paraguay costs, he’s in the cashing out phase and don’t blame him.

[Ameritoon]

I'm in Charlotte right now. Great city for a smiley Paraguayan 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Ameritoon said:

I'm in Charlotte right now. 

Writing on here and shagging - that’s impressive  

[Menace]

I'd snap their hands off for that fee. All of a sudden Almiron + 20m for Bakayoko doesn't seem so bad.

[Holloway]

aye let's examine his stats after subtracting all the best bits, just to reinforce the opinion he hasn't been very good 

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Holloway said:

aye let's examine his stats after subtracting all the best bits, just to reinforce the opinion he hasn't been very good 

If you include his best bits (which is the fair assessment) he hasn’t been very good.

 

Excellent coaching and having two top players in peak form (Bruno and Trippier) working with him on the right is what it took to make him look like a good PL player for a few months.  

[Holloway]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

If you include his best bits (which is the fair assessment) he hasn’t been very good.

 

Excellent coaching and having two top players in peak form (Bruno and Trippier) working with him on the right is what it took to make him look like a good PL player for a few months.  

I don't disagree, it was an objection to leaving the purple patch aside nonsense.

What we glimpsed wasn't all down to the things you mentioned though, those finishes were pure talent and not many of our lot could have pulled them off. Hindsight tells us that it's buried very deeply,though.

[TheBrownBottle]

Just now, Holloway said:

I don't disagree, it was an objection to leaving the purple patch aside nonsense.

What we glimpsed wasn't all down to the things you mentioned though, those finishes were pure talent and not many of our lot could have pulled them off. Hindsight tells us that it's buried very deeply,though.

Perhaps you’re right, though I do also think that some footballers can just have patches where everything they hit goes in.  Almiron was playing with a complete confidence for a short period of time.

 

I think Almiron’s greatest weakness is a lack of footballing intelligence; he might well be a genius off the pitch, but on it he’s one of the least intelligent attacking players I’ve ever seen in B&W (my time goes back to the late ‘80s, and I’m struggling to think of many first team regular attackers as lacking in that department as him.  Obertan would be one).  A proper ‘head down’ winger - which I think explains the pretty shocking ‘assist’ record.  Really good forwards don’t play with their eyes down on the ball in the way that Almiron does - which is why I raised Bruno and Trippier (who do have superb vision and intelligence and both can pick a pass), who could neuter Almiron’s headless chicken running and find him in space.  Once other teams sussed this, he returned to the mean.

[Holloway]

 

15 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Perhaps you’re right, though I do also think that some footballers can just have patches where everything they hit goes in.  Almiron was playing with a complete confidence for a short period of time.

 

I think Almiron’s greatest weakness is a lack of footballing intelligence; he might well be a genius off the pitch, but on it he’s one of the least intelligent attacking players I’ve ever seen in B&W (my time goes back to the late ‘80s, and I’m struggling to think of many first team regular attackers as lacking in that department as him.  Obertan would be one).  A proper ‘head down’ winger - which I think explains the pretty shocking ‘assist’ record.  Really good forwards don’t play with their eyes down on the ball in the way that Almiron does - which is why I raised Bruno and Trippier (who do have superb vision and intelligence and both can pick a pass), who could neuter Almiron’s headless chicken running and find him in space.  Once other teams sussed this, he returned to the mean.

Well he was regularly displaying his finishing ability at Atalanta ( quality of opposition duly noted), so he's no stranger to it. Perhaps it's purely down to confidence his barren spells, who knows. I kind of get what you're saying about the head down stuff, but i do think he makes some intelligent runs that ultimately don't produce much of note, similar to Murphy in many respects. Obertan is a good shout mind, fucking infuriating wasn't he.

It's very obvious his time is up here, but I'll remember him fondly.

[bobbydazzla]

He’s the best Mexican to play for us in my lifetime 

 

And anyone who disagrees best watch their letterbox

 

Adios Miggy, you have an incredible work ethic and a lovely smiley face but you were mostly frustrating 

 

Enjoy yourself in Charlotte 

 

 

Edited Friday at 07:29 by bobbydazzla

[Yorkie]

Wouldn't describe Almiron as a headless chicken at all tbh. On the contrary, he's been an exemplary slave to Howe's system; in particular he was a critical cog in those immense pressing machines from 22/23 and the early part of last season.

 

Excluding the ones that are apparently inadmissible, his numbers have typically been poor. But he's more than contributed to our success under the current manager and helped to transform Rafa's last season too. Much of the Bruce years I've mercifully blanked out, but my recollection is that he helped out in those very lean years as well (when he wasn't at RWB or wherever that brain-dead prick shoved him).

 

I'm massively in favour of us selling him at this point because he's no longer that useful to us and we need the cash, but painting him as some waste of money based entirely on his lack of assists is incredibly disingenuous and just agenda-driven.

[The Butcher]

15 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

Wouldn't describe Almiron as a headless chicken at all tbh. On the contrary, he's been an exemplary slave to Howe's system; in particular he was a critical cog in those immense pressing machines from 22/23 and the early part of last season.

 

Excluding the ones that are apparently inadmissible, his numbers have typically been poor. But he's more than contributed to our success under the current manager and helped to transform Rafa's last season too. Much of the Bruce years I've mercifully blanked out, but my recollection is that he helped out in those very lean years as well (when he wasn't at RWB or wherever that brain-dead prick shoved him).

 

I'm massively in favour of us selling him at this point because he's no longer that useful to us and we need the cash, but painting him as some waste of money based entirely on his lack of assists is incredibly disingenuous and just agenda-driven.

Who's done that?

[bobbydazzla]

Fun fact of the day:

 

Mike the Headless Chicken is the record holder for the longest surviving chicken without a head, living for 18 months after being beheaded in 1945

[Yorkie]

28 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

Who's done that?

 

Well it seemed like that's what you were saying!

[Myleftboot]

59 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

He’s the best Mexican to play for us in my lifetime 

 

And anyone who disagrees best watch their letterbox

 

Adios Miggy, you have an incredible work ethic and a lovely smiley face but you were mostly frustrating 

 

Enjoy yourself in Charlotte 

 

 

 

 

[ponsaelius]

It would be absolutely sensational if we were able to get him gone in January.

 

Don't think we're getting any new signings unless players leave.

 

 

Edited Friday at 08:50 by ponsaelius

[TheBrownBottle]

2 hours ago, Yorkie said:

Wouldn't describe Almiron as a headless chicken at all tbh. On the contrary, he's been an exemplary slave to Howe's system; in particular he was a critical cog in those immense pressing machines from 22/23 and the early part of last season.

 

Excluding the ones that are apparently inadmissible, his numbers have typically been poor. But he's more than contributed to our success under the current manager and helped to transform Rafa's last season too. Much of the Bruce years I've mercifully blanked out, but my recollection is that he helped out in those very lean years as well (when he wasn't at RWB or wherever that brain-dead prick shoved him).

 

I'm massively in favour of us selling him at this point because he's no longer that useful to us and we need the cash, but painting him as some waste of money based entirely on his lack of assists is incredibly disingenuous and just agenda-driven.

It’s hardly agenda-driven to state views on a player - does anyone actually hate Almiron?  He’s a hard player to dislike never mind hate or have an agenda against.  When I wrote headless chicken I was referring to his need for excellent coaching and intelligent players around him - without it he looks lost.  And he was hardly transformative for Rafa - his output was effectively zero.

 

He wasn’t a waste of money, but we overpaid for what he was and is.  He absolutely wasn’t a bad signing, but he wasn’t a particularly good one either.  He was ok - which on balance is probably closer to what Almiron has been for us.  Pretty much ‘ok’.  

[TRon]

18 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It’s hardly agenda-driven to state views on a player - does anyone actually hate Almiron?  He’s a hard player to dislike never mind hate or have an agenda against.  When I wrote headless chicken I was referring to his need for excellent coaching and intelligent players around him - without it he looks lost.  And he was hardly transformative for Rafa - his output was effectively zero.

 

He wasn’t a waste of money, but we overpaid for what he was and is.  He absolutely wasn’t a bad signing, but he wasn’t a particularly good one either.  He was ok - which on balance is probably closer to what Almiron has been for us.  Pretty much ‘ok’.  

 

People need to realise criticism of players isn't personal, it's just part of wanting to get to the next level. I was a massive defender of Miggy when Bruce was here, and for good reason. He was one of our best players then, and our expectations were low. It was the same for Wijnaldum and Sissoko when they were here. They weren't world beaters but they were our best players.

 

Even the club knows that Miggy is no longer good enough for where we want to go. That's a good thing.

[TheBrownBottle]

5 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

People need to realise criticism of players isn't personal, it's just part of wanting to get to the next level. I was a massive defender of Miggy when Bruce was here, and for good reason. He was one of our best players then, and our expectations were low. It was the same for Wijnaldum and Sissoko when they were here. They weren't world beaters but they were our best players.

 

Even the club knows that Miggy is no longer good enough for where we want to go. That's a good thing.

Yep.  I’ve zero bad feelings about the lad, and I can’t imagine that there will be many with truly negative feelings about him when he goes or when his name comes up in any future conversation.  Ultimately, attacking players are usually judged on output, unless they are truly exceptional talents and provide moments which live forever in the memory (Ginola, HBA etc) - it is a harsh reality.  

[Stifler]

At the time of him coming in, anyone outside of the top 6 would just have players in midfield with no real consistent end product as well as the ability to offer an outlet and track back. If they did, the big clubs snapped them up.

Miggy offered us an outlet, and off the ball work, which considering we were a club fighting relegation, without having much of the ball, it was probably more needed.

Now of course scouting and statistical analysis has came on so much, that more teams can get more rounded players. Ourselves, with the takeover releasing new funds, and aims for the club, we are also in a position where we need to get that more rounded player.

Just because Miggy isn’t what we need going forward, doesn’t mean he hasn’t been an asset for us, and it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t be an asset for someone else.

 

We can’t confuse were we are today as a club, to the club we were 3 years ago, and judge the players from 3 years ago, on todays standards.

 

 

Edited Friday at 10:43 by Stifler