leffe186 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 You're either offside or not. Love it that they are so strict when the technology to be so is there. It's trash. If you have to check it for 30-60 seconds using technology and endless replays, it's not clear enough to get VAR in to the frame. They clearly stated that any situation taken to VAR would be if the ref had make a clear mistake. He didn't here. Awful use of it. Terrible. That took one image. It took 2 minutes to get that image and the lines drawn though. Is that clear an obvious? They had to zoom in at rate where the pictures were blurred and drawn thin lines in order to show it being offside. There’s certainly an argument to have about “clear and obvious”. Or about the laws of offside. Here’s the thing though - he was offside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 When does the pass start; I’m assuming it is when a player makes initial contact with the ball, might be talking milliseconds but it could be the difference between Sterling being on or offside there. I can’t recall any debate on how it is decided when to stop the frame. This is what i was saying earlier, it falls into a margin of error and that margin has to allow that goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Can't believe what I'm reading again. Arbitrarily drawn lines on a bloke's shoulder from an arbitrarily chosen frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 You're either offside or not. Love it that they are so strict when the technology to be so is there. It's trash. If you have to check it for 30-60 seconds using technology and endless replays, it's not clear enough to get VAR in to the frame. They clearly stated that any situation taken to VAR would be if the ref had make a clear mistake. He didn't here. Awful use of it. Terrible. That took one image. It took 2 minutes to get that image and the lines drawn though. Is that clear an obvious? They had to zoom in at rate where the pictures were blurred and drawn thin lines in order to show it being offside. There’s certainly an argument to have about “clear and obvious”. Or about the laws of offside. Here’s the thing though - he was offside. I'm guessing Mike Dean has asked for a check, they've checked, and because it's offside, he has to disallow it. Again, that's more a rule problem than a VAR issue. No way should that be disallowed in the laws of the game. Use where the attacker and defenders feet are. More fairer. Shouldn't be offside because he's leaning further forward imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Can't believe what I'm reading again. Arbitrarily drawn lines on a bloke's shoulder from an arbitrarily chosen frame. Is it arbitrary? Oh well, then it shouldn't be disallowed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 All the lads wanking furiously into their graph paper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Fredericks is so poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 fuck var throw it in a fire and burn it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzgerald Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 f*** var throw it in a fire and burn it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 This VAR decision has really taken wind out of City's sails and spurn West Ham. Will happen time and again, teams that score marginal offside goals need to be severely punished for breaking the laws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 You're either offside or not. Love it that they are so strict when the technology to be so is there. There has to be some leeway like. You're taking away the joy of scoring when you have to hold off celebrating just in case your striker's lace came undone and was dangling offside. Why does there have to be leeway? That just allows the sort of subjective decisions that favour big clubs and home teams. To me, the rule should be based around the position of the players' feet, for a start. By leeway I mean let's not start disallowing goals based on how far forward a player is leaning, or where their arms are, or how big their hands are... If you're going to use VAR to judge offsides, it can only really be a "clear and obvious" mistake from the on-field officials if the attacker's stride is ahead of the defender's IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Offside again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Offside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Offside Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 West Ham defender's armpit playing him on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 That looked offside in real time lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 This is absolutely wank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Finish, tho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Fuck off, that was offside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Goal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 That was more offside than the first one. it's all dependent on which frame they decide to choose, I don't believe there's anything in the laws of the game about that funnily enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 You're either offside or not. Love it that they are so strict when the technology to be so is there. There has to be some leeway like. You're taking away the joy of scoring when you have to hold off celebrating just in case your striker's lace came undone and was dangling offside. Why does there have to be leeway? That just allows the sort of subjective decisions that favour big clubs and home teams. To me, the rule should be based around the position of the players' feet, for a start. By leeway I mean let's not start disallowing goals based on how far forward a player is leaning, or where their arms are, or how big their hands are... If you're going to use VAR to judge offsides, it can only really be a "clear and obvious" mistake from the on-field officials if the attacker's stride is ahead of the defender's IMO. I completely agree that they need to examine the offside laws in the light of VAR, and I think that the player's feet is a good starting point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 That was more offside than the first one. it's all dependent on which frame they decide to choose This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 You'd hope they're using more frames than the ones they show on TV to check, because if not this really is a farce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 That was more offside than the first one. it's all dependent on which frame they decide to choose, I don't believe there's anything in the laws of the game about that funnily enough. Exactly, they have deliberately not shown the full replay for this exact reason. This is how bigger clubs in future will be given the advantage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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