The other games today 2019/20

[Guest neesy111]

Is VAR used to be perfection anywhere?

 

That's got to be impossible surely, humans make the decisions in the end and to err is human and all that, unfortunately English league humans seem to be utterly useless.

 

Football's too subjective.  The rules need to be changed imo to make things clearer.

[Wullie]

The rules have been fine with the odd tweak here and there for 150 years. Rather than keep meddling with the game itself, they need to put it down as a bad job, accept that it can never work in a game as subjective as football and fuck the whole thing off.

[Wullie]

The challenge idea is so short sighted imo, just a lazy suggestion because other sports have it but doesn't consider how the game of football actually works in practice where a minor decision can become a major one depending on what follows.

 

Would you waste your 1 challenge on a throw-in that you thought was yours? Unlikely. But you'd want to challenge it if the ball was in your net 10 seconds later. How would that work? Do you have to challenge at the time, and lose the challenge once the ball is back in play? Or can you challenge based on what happens after it?

 

And what happens if you challenge for a penalty for Alli's handball? It clearly hits his hand. Do you lose the challenge then?

 

Farce is exactly what it would become, very quickly.

[Happinesstan]

If done properly it could improve many aspects of the game. If Salah goes down in the box and the ref waves play on the captain has to decide whether his own players reputation precedes him.

[Newintoon]

Becoming a bit of a joke, they should only use it for offsides or if the ref states he hasn’t seen the incident, if he has seen it, his decision stands

[Guest]

You’d still get the referees making the wrong decisions even after watching VAR. Think it would be abysmal.

[LV]

The rules have been fine with the odd tweak here and there for 150 years. Rather than keep meddling with the game itself, they need to put it down as a bad job, accept that it can never work in a game as subjective as football and fuck the whole thing off.

 

Agreed

[Guest]

Only way they’d ever back down from VAR now is if every broadcaster stopped analysing every little decision and didn’t say, ‘VAR would have given that’ or whatever. Think it’s too far gone for VAR to disappear from here.

[ToonArmy1892]

They are making it look s*** so they can f*** it off and go back to favouring the 'big' sides, maybe.

 

How can they ignore blatant penalties, why hasn't one ref used the monitor? Something fishy going on imo.

[Conjo]

The rules have been fine with the odd tweak here and there for 150 years. Rather than keep meddling with the game itself, they need to put it down as a bad job, accept that it can never work in a game as subjective as football and fuck the whole thing off.

 

Would rather just that they fine tune the way VAR is used to get a more fair judgment of the game tbh.

 

Lots of things that worked fine before has been improved by technology and this will too eventually.

[Guest]

If TV didn’t show every replay from every conceivable angle and ridiculously slowed down speeds, showed the replay once at normal time perhaps without all the stupid graphics and lines across the screen etc, just the once, and go along with the, ‘tough one to call’ or ‘referee is clearly wrong there’ then maybe they could either go back to stop using it, or using it like the above for clear and obvious where a decision could be made in seconds.

[Shearergol]

Struggling to know why a penalty wasn’t given against Deli Ali ffs, clear hand ball.

 

If they don’t give it for that then they never will give a hand ball again

 

Shocking

 

Think it was because Minas touched the ball with his shoulder just before

 

they said on sky they were told that VAR didn't give it because Ali handled it under pressure. fucking nonsense

 

Strange decision. Was LaPorte not under pressure from Skipp in the City v Spurs game?

 

They're making it up as they go along. Just bin VAR already.

[Rod]

Sky footie presenter said the Ref upgraded the card from yellow to red himself after he saw the injury, and the ref looking at VAR didn't overrule that decision.

 

One thing annoying me, wish people would stop blaming VAR, VAR is just video replays, it's the fucking wingnut ref looking at the video's who's the moron.

Exactly this!

[AyeDubbleYoo]

VAR should be there just to get the right decision, not correct clear and obvious errors or whatever. VAR look for the offence, not how bad the ref’s mistake was.

 

Then the question is about the rules themselves, which I think are completely wrong in the case of handball. Only deliberate handball should be an offence IMO, as judged by a human.

[Wullie]

There's often no such thing as the "correct decision" in football, that's the thing nobody in the game seems willing to admit publicly. They're insistent on providing objectivity where it doesn't exist. Funnily enough, they don't use the system at all for the genuinely objective calls in a game (was that a corner or a goal kick?).

[Disco]

Surely the VARistas should be getting annoyed there's not calls for it to be used for all decisions? Why should a pen or an offside matter more than a throw-in that could lead to a goal.

[LFEE]

32 seconds in. Classy from the dad behind the billboards... I presume...

 

[ToonArmy1892]

Surely the VARistas should be getting annoyed there's not calls for it to be used for all decisions? Why should a pen or an offside matter more than a throw-in that could lead to a goal.

 

Nope, i'd be quite happy for it to be used just for offsides, as this is where the lino's need most help, yes VAR still gets the odd one wrong but how many has it corrected that would have been wrong previously.

 

At least offsides are a matter of fact (99% of the time) rather than opinion with fouls and such.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

There's often no such thing as the "correct decision" in football, that's the thing nobody in the game seems willing to admit publicly. They're insistent on providing objectivity where it doesn't exist. Funnily enough, they don't use the system at all for the genuinely objective calls in a game (was that a corner or a goal kick?).

 

Fair, I just meant that if it's going to be used they should basically be re-refereeing the incident (with better information) rather than trying to keep to this line of clear and obvious errors.

[The Prophet]

The handball and offside rules that have come in along with VAR are grim. It should be used to correct clear and obvious errors, not borderline offside decisions.

[joeyt]

Diangana looks a player. Wouldn;t be surprised if West Ham recall him in Jan

 

Also didn't know Joe Allen is still in his 20s

[Pata]

The handball and offside rules that have come in along with VAR are grim. It should be used to correct clear and obvious errors, not borderline offside decisions.

 

This is just stupid, where do you draw the line? 5cm, 10cm or 30cm? Then we would be back arguing about the same thing again.

 

One way to make it instantly better is if VAR isn't making the subjective decisions but is telling the ref to go watch the screen if they see something dubious. The lost time argument is just stupid when VAR team looking at it and probably arguing between themselves takes just as much time. On top of that, there's absolutely no logic to the decisions that have been made lately. When the head ref makes the subjective decisions based on video evidence, there should be at least some consistency.

[Happinesstan]

It would also help if the ref viewed the video evidence.

[David Edgar]

The handball and offside rules that have come in along with VAR are grim. It should be used to correct clear and obvious errors, not borderline offside decisions.

 

This is just stupid, where do you draw the line? 5cm, 10cm or 30cm? Then we would be back arguing about the same thing again.

 

No, it is definitely not stupid.  It is by far the most sensible way to use VAR for offside decisions seeing that VAR objectively cannot make accurate judgements due to limitations in frame rates.  There 100% has to be a "referee's call" margin for error applied just like they do in cricket with LBWs and Hawkeye.

[David Edgar]

It would also help if the ref viewed the video evidence.

 

Nah, I don't think that is all too necessary. 

 

But the actual justification for the decision should be explained clearly to the fans in the stadium and fans watching on TV by the referee who is overseeing the implementation of VAR.  It would make things so much clearer to all.