Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Us conceding 12 goals at home is of course not reflective of the performances. Our xG conceded is 24,5. We're 12,5 goals better off than that. Some of these stats are misleading, yes, and some of them are not. Anyone watching the opposition squandering chances and Dubravka playing out of his skin game after game will not be surprised to see us have those numbers. For comparison, the team with the next biggest difference (www.understat.com/league/EPL) is Palace who are 5 goals better off. Again: We're +12,5. Yep. Anyone defending Bruce by using his predecessors main strength is kind of missing the elephant in the room. Rafa is the reason we survived this season too but the Bruce love-in Brigade wouldn't dare admit that :lol: . He's been the jammiest fucker going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Us conceding 12 goals at home is of course not reflective of the performances. Our xG conceded is 24,5. We're 12,5 goals better off than that. Some of these stats are misleading, yes, and some of them are not. Anyone watching the opposition squandering chances and Dubravka playing out of his skin game after game will not be surprised to see us have those numbers. For comparison, the team with the next biggest difference (www.understat.com/league/EPL) is Palace who are 5 goals better off. Again: We're +12,5. Yep. Anyone defending Bruce by using his predecessors main strength is kind of missing the elephant in the room. Rafa is the reason we survived this season too but the Bruce love-in Brigade wouldn't dare admit that :lol: . He's been the jammiest fucker going. Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 If you have a poor xG it eventually catches up with you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Us conceding 12 goals at home is of course not reflective of the performances. Our xG conceded is 24,5. We're 12,5 goals better off than that. Some of these stats are misleading, yes, and some of them are not. Anyone watching the opposition squandering chances and Dubravka playing out of his skin game after game will not be surprised to see us have those numbers. For comparison, the team with the next biggest difference (www.understat.com/league/EPL) is Palace who are 5 goals better off. Again: We're +12,5. Yep. Anyone defending Bruce by using his predecessors main strength is kind of missing the elephant in the room. Rafa is the reason we survived this season too but the Bruce love-in Brigade wouldn't dare admit that :lol: . He's been the jammiest fucker going. Christ. Tis true. If we'd kept Rondon and Perez but sold three of Rafa's starting defenders then we'd have gone down. Bruce has massively benefitted from Rafa's organisational work. But perhaps that doesn't fit your narrative? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. It's not a hunch that Bruce has done a decent enough job here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dabe Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 You can't outrun the stats forever, if he stayed, the xG stuff would catch up eventually. The current system is not a sustainable model for continuing to struggle around 12-14th, let alone success/7-10th. Accept we've been spawny as fuck, enjoy the performance yesterday, Saint-Maximin/Dubravka and our defence, and understand Bruce is a generally awful PL quality manager who we'd want shot of as soon as the season ends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. It's not a hunch that Bruce has done a decent enough job here. It's also not a hunch that he's achieved FUCK ALL in his entire managerial career and will always be an Ashley shill. Fuck off Steve. Yes man prick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 You can't outrun the stats forever, if he stayed, the xG stuff would catch up eventually. The current system is not a sustainable model for continuing to struggle around 12-14th, let alone success/7-10th. Accept we've been spawny as fuck, enjoy the performance yesterday, Saint-Maximin/Dubravka and our defence, and understand Bruce is a generally awful PL quality manager who we'd want shot of as soon as the season ends. Yup - this is it nailed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. It's not a hunch that Bruce has done a decent enough job here. It's also not a hunch that he's achieved FUCK ALL in his entire managerial career and will always be an Ashley shill. Fuck off Steve. Yes man prick. And that's not what Im arguing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. It's not a hunch that Bruce has done a decent enough job here. No, but the stats help you work out whether it's skill or luck. If you only judge things on results, you might not appreciate what's really going on. You can be bad and still win, but that might not be sustainable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 I don't like Bruce but to say Rafa is the reason we're staying up this season is fucking laughable tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. It's not a hunch that Bruce has done a decent enough job here. No, but the stats help you work out whether it's skill or luck. If you only judge things on results, you might not appreciate what's really going on. You can be bad and still win, but that might not be sustainable. We all know Bruce is a crap manager man. We dont need to know whether its skill or luck. He's a stop gap until the Saudis come in. All of this xG crap is irrelevant. He's done decent enough and he'll be on his way at the end of the season. Thats all there is to it. Bit Minhosa saying the main reason we're stopping up this season is because of Benitez! Fuck me man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 He inherited a superbly drilled and organised back third of the pitch if you're saying he's not gotten incredibly lucky that he did then you're blinded by your argument. Therefore, Rafa had a hand in our survival this year. Sorry but it's true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 No, but the stats help you work out whether it's skill or luck. If you only judge things on results, you might not appreciate what's really going on. You can be bad and still win, but that might not be sustainable. well put - what was that period where we were picking results with our defenders scoring random goals as we were dicked off the pitch in most games? he doesn't "deserve credit" for that because winning games by having your defenders score all the goals isn't a tactical plan, it was fucking luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 "xG", "+12,5." What's all this nonsense man. Bruce isn't the most likeable of blokes but he's done a decent job. Simple as that and there's fuckall else worth getting worked up over. He's not gonna be here for much longer. Stats, they help you analyse football based on more than just a hunch. Agree with your second point though, it's not really a debate. If the takeover goes through, he'll be gone soon enough. It's not a hunch that Bruce has done a decent enough job here. It's also not a hunch that he's achieved FUCK ALL in his entire managerial career and will always be an Ashley shill. Fuck off Steve. Yes man prick. And that's not what Im arguing. Fucking embarrassing how much people get worked up about Bruce. Pathetic really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 He inherited a superbly drilled and organised back third of the pitch if you're saying he's not gotten incredibly lucky that he did then you're blinded by your argument. Therefore, Rafa had a hand in our survival this year. Sorry but it's true. Do we thank Benitez for being a game away from Wembley in the FA Cup too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Do we thank Benitez for being a game away from Wembley in the FA Cup too? he's taken 2 replays to get past 2 absolute shite teams man can't think of us ever having such a favourable draw in the cup and we still struggled Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 No, but the stats help you work out whether it's skill or luck. If you only judge things on results, you might not appreciate what's really going on. You can be bad and still win, but that might not be sustainable. well put - what was that period where we were picking results with our defenders scoring random goals as we were dicked off the pitch in most games? he doesn't "deserve credit" for that because winning games by having your defenders score all the goals isn't a tactical plan, it was fucking luck 12 goals conceded in 15 home games isn't purely down to luck man. Fucking hell :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Do we thank Benitez for being a game away from Wembley in the FA Cup too? he's taken 2 replays to get past 2 absolute shite teams man can't think of us ever having such a favourable draw in the cup and we still struggled Aye, Benitez's well drilled defence conceded 4 goals against those lower league sides. Just wondering if that's Benitez' fault or Bruces Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 No, but the stats help you work out whether it's skill or luck. If you only judge things on results, you might not appreciate what's really going on. You can be bad and still win, but that might not be sustainable. well put - what was that period where we were picking results with our defenders scoring random goals as we were dicked off the pitch in most games? he doesn't "deserve credit" for that because winning games by having your defenders score all the goals isn't a tactical plan, it was fucking luck 12 goals conceded in 15 home isn't purely down to luck man. Fucking hell :lol: not sure what point you think you're making, he stuck to rafa's system in order to keep games tight and as a result we couldn't score for shit if you think steve bacon is the brains behind that defensive organisation and dubravka playing out of his skin you need help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Do we thank Benitez for being a game away from Wembley in the FA Cup too? he's taken 2 replays to get past 2 absolute shite teams man can't think of us ever having such a favourable draw in the cup and we still struggled Aye, Benitez's well drilled defence conceded 4 goals against those lower league sides. Just wondering if that's Benitez' fault or Bruces anything good is down to benitez, anything bad is down to bruce, don't you know the rules? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 No, but the stats help you work out whether it's skill or luck. If you only judge things on results, you might not appreciate what's really going on. You can be bad and still win, but that might not be sustainable. well put - what was that period where we were picking results with our defenders scoring random goals as we were dicked off the pitch in most games? he doesn't "deserve credit" for that because winning games by having your defenders score all the goals isn't a tactical plan, it was fucking luck Of course it was . Honestly, I've never said 'how the fuck did we win that?!?' or 'How the fuck are we nicking a point from this?' more in my 33 years as a NUFC fan. He's been the luckiest cunt going. Even yesterday it took a red card, defensive slip and Sheff Utd being knackered to break the deadlock but, all of a sudden, we're lucky to have 'Good Ole Steve'. At this rate, we'll be lucky to hang on to him and Poch will have a competitor at every elite interview he does this summer :lol: . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 No, but the stats help you work out whether it's skill or luck. If you only judge things on results, you might not appreciate what's really going on. You can be bad and still win, but that might not be sustainable. well put - what was that period where we were picking results with our defenders scoring random goals as we were dicked off the pitch in most games? he doesn't "deserve credit" for that because winning games by having your defenders score all the goals isn't a tactical plan, it was fucking luck 12 goals conceded in 15 home isn't purely down to luck man. Fucking hell :lol: not sure what point you think you're making, he stuck to rafa's system in order to keep games tight and as a result we couldn't score for shit if you think steve bacon is the brains behind that defensive organisation and dubravka playing out of his skin you need help Amen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Do we thank Benitez for being a game away from Wembley in the FA Cup too? he's taken 2 replays to get past 2 absolute shite teams man can't think of us ever having such a favourable draw in the cup and we still struggled Aye, Benitez's well drilled defence conceded 4 goals against those lower league sides. Just wondering if that's Benitez' fault or Bruces anything good is down to benitez, anything bad is down to bruce, don't you know the rules? Thats what I was hoping to get at with my question re. Bruce getting us to Wembley being down to Benitez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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