Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[Tiresias]

With a proper coach he could be good, seen glimpses and certainly would expect most forwards to be struggling in this team but not sure Bruce is ever going to make any player better so this is probably it.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

From what I saw today he looked like he's going through the motions putting in minimal effort.

 

Can you blame him? He doesn’t stand a chance in this position.

[TRon]

He's playing like a defeated man at the moment. I sympathise with what's being expected of him, but if he's not trying he needs to be out of the team. From the 70-ish minutes I saw, he offered absolutely nothing and was constantly flat footed when the ball came near him.

 

There's no one else who can play as a target man. Gayle looked absolutely hopeless when he came on, like he was coming back from a long summer holiday.

 

 

[Lenny]

He's playing like a defeated man at the moment. I sympathise with what's being expected of him, but if he's not trying he needs to be out of the team. From the 70-ish minutes I saw, he offered absolutely nothing and was constantly flat footed when the ball came near him.

 

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From what I saw today he looked like he's going through the motions putting in minimal effort.

 

Can you blame him? He doesn’t stand a chance in this position.

 

You can't "not try", but I sympathise entirely.

[Tiresias]

Also I get annoyed about the Mitrovic hangup, he clearly had a lot of talent in some ways but he did get opportunities under Rafa in the championship when Gayle was injured, and couldn't hit a barn door. Rafa was entitled to ditch him if as suspected his attitude behind the scenes wasn't up to his standards and he didn't trust him.

[Guest]

The scary thing is, he’s still the only option. Carroll is buggered and done nowt in his sub appearances to show he’d do any better, and Gayle looked slow and even a bit overweight when he came on.

[Lenny]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a fucking target man

[KaKa]

Every game we have 30% possession.

 

We hardly ever get to pass the ball high up the pitch and involve him in any capacity.

 

It's either aimless long balls at his head, with no support near him, or we are counter attacking.

 

The guy knows it's a shit show and can't be arsed. The whole thing is a farce.

[Lenny]

Every game we have 30% possession.

 

We hardly ever get to pass the ball high up the pitch and involve him in any capacity.

 

It's either aimless long balls at his head, with no support near him, or we are counter attacking.

 

The guy knows it's a shit show and can't be arsed. The whole thing is a farce.

 

That's the point, he evidently no longer can be bothered. Bruce either needs to change something or drop him. Having a player that's not trying isn't acceptable, obviously.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a fucking target man

 

But that'd require having some tactical nous to change things up. The three Steves of the apocalypse are devoid of said nous.

[TRon]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a fucking target man

 

We could try doing that even with Joelinton. He clearly doesn't relish high balls winged at him from deep. Get the ball into his feet and see how he gets on. Problem is we don't have enough good possession to get the ball up the pitch where he should be operating.

[Mr Logic]

Look at us arguing about player abilities and forgetting where the problem lies.

The shambles the club is currently in is down to one man and we are reduced to bickering with each other over, in reality, nothing.

 

The front three of Joelinton, Almiron and ASM are ALL good players trying to ply their trade under a clueless manager in a directionless club. Why waste our time criticising an individual player in such circumstances?

 

 

[Lenny]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a fucking target man

 

But that'd require having some tactical nous to change things up. The three Steves of the apocalypse are devoid of said nous.

 

Well yes, this is clearly the result of cascading levels of incompetence multiple levels above him.

[Lenny]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a fucking target man

 

We could try doing that even with Joelinton. He clearly doesn't relish high balls winged at him from deep. Get the ball into his feet and see how he gets on. Problem is we don't have enough good possession to get the ball up the pitch where he should be operating.

 

Absolutely. Try playing to his strengths.

[ToonArmy1892]

I'm glad he has flopped, hopefully Mike is fuming.

[TBG]

Got to question Bruce's scouting

[KaKa]

I'm glad he has flopped, hopefully Mike is fuming.

 

Everyone will flop man.

 

Even ASM as dangerous as he is will not translate to anything tangible, because the whole setup, plan and approach is completely ineffective.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

If there’s no connection between signings and football strategy, things will inevitably fall apart.

[joeyt]

We don't get him anywhere near goalscoring positions. Barely anyone within 20 yards of him

[TRon]

It might even be that he's not good enough in other ways, maybe he doesn't attack the spaces in the penalty area like all good forwards should. But how can you know when we barely get the ball into those areas? For all his trickery, I can remember one decent cross coming in from Maximin. Don't think there was even one from the other side.

[KaKa]

It might even be that he's not good enough in other ways, maybe he doesn't attack the spaces in the penalty area like all good forwards should. But how can you know when we barely get the ball into those areas? For all his trickery, I can remember one decent cross coming in from Maximin. Don't think there was even one from the other side.

 

The guy never sees the ball

 

When last did we even see him get an opportunity to miss a chance?

[Rod]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a fucking target man

 

We could try doing that even with Joelinton. He clearly doesn't relish high balls winged at him from deep. Get the ball into his feet and see how he gets on. Problem is we don't have enough good possession to get the ball up the pitch where he should be operating.

 

Absolutely. Try playing to his strengths.

Which are?  I'm intrigued to know what Joelinton's attributes are.

[TRon]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a fucking target man

 

We could try doing that even with Joelinton. He clearly doesn't relish high balls winged at him from deep. Get the ball into his feet and see how he gets on. Problem is we don't have enough good possession to get the ball up the pitch where he should be operating.

 

Absolutely. Try playing to his strengths.

Which are?  I'm intrigued to know what Joelinton's attributes are.

 

Looks to have decent feet in the penalty area on the rare occasion he gets the ball in there. Other than that can't really say until we start getting the ball coming in from decent angles.

[Disco]

He’s only had 15 shots this season which says an awful lot.

[Rod]

I mean, if we don't have a target man, then don't play a formation that requires a fucking target man

 

We could try doing that even with Joelinton. He clearly doesn't relish high balls winged at him from deep. Get the ball into his feet and see how he gets on. Problem is we don't have enough good possession to get the ball up the pitch where he should be operating.

 

Absolutely. Try playing to his strengths.

Which are?  I'm intrigued to know what Joelinton's attributes are.

 

Looks to have decent feet in the penalty area on the rare occasion he gets the ball in there. Other than that can't really say until we start getting the ball coming in from decent angles.

 

I'm watching Liverpool v Spurs and Kane gets on the end of an aimless ball hoofed up by a defender.  He gets in front of his marker (that's in front of the defender Joelinton) and Son picks up the ball and Spurs nearly score.  Why can't our centre forward (cough) do something similar.  He is clueless I tell you.