Joelinton: will not play against Everton (Howe)

[Lotus]

Really? 
Like, Sterling knows where the net is….

[CPL]

Dyer was stuck in an era where playing 442 was the norm. He'd be decent playing on the wing as a 433 or just behind the front line in a 4231. However, as others pointed out, he was made of glass and couldn't finish.

 

Although I remember the FA cup game against Southampton away where he went beast mode on the odd occassion and bagged a brace. I think it finished 3-0. 

 

Another funny thing was that Dyer was mentioned as a potential replacement for Scholes in the England team at the time. We played them at SJP and I think Scholes scored a hat-trick. There was a crazy statistic that Scholes scored more goals at SJP Park than Dyer did but I'm not sure if anything can found out. 

[Guest HTT II]

On his day Dyer was unplayable, and we were too under Sir Bobby.

[CPL]

1 minute ago, HTT II said:

On his day Dyer was unplayable, and we were too under Sir Bobby.

Dyer, Bellamy and Robert (going forward anyway) were lightning. I reckon we had the fastest attack in the league at the time (exc Shearer obviously). I wonder how much Eddie will look at pacey players going forward when we will look to break into the top 4. Step forward... Diaby. ?

[Groundhog63]

11 hours ago, Dr. TC said:

I've always thought Raheem Sterling is similar to Dyer, but not made of glass in the same way. 

He's, equally, short & stout but not a little tea pot ?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

15 hours ago, OCK said:

So lucky the way things have worked out with Joelinton. 

 

Random sending off

Right manager at the right time

Player had the right attitude

Fans went through turning on him to ironically loving him to actually loving him

Only the sending off is luck TBF, but I agree!

 

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo

[1964]

3 hours ago, HTT II said:

On his day Dyer was unplayable, and we were too under Sir Bobby.

That goal against Everton was a thing of beauty.  Too few and far between however

[Happinesstan]

I think the thing with players like Dyer, Alli and numerous others that don't spring instantly to mind, is the arrogance. They know they're good, but they also know they're not as good as they pretend to be. Nothing wrong with that, in particular, but some people just don't have the self-discipline to fulfil their potential.

[Geordie_once_removed]

I largely agree but I think its more to do with the fact that things all came a bit too easy for them because of natural gifts. Dyer had terrifying pace over the first 5-10 metres when he first broke through.  He also had incredibly quick feet. Both of these were harmed by a couple of injuries and he didn't have the self discipline to work on other areas of his game to compensate and therefore allow him to stay at that level or even improve overall. 

 

I've not followed Alli closely but I can imagine you could say a similar thing about him.  I know at the very least Owen is a very odd human, but to his credit when he lost his pace due to injuries he really worked on his movement in the box and because of this he was able to largely maintain his overall quality as a player for longer than say Alli and Dyer who both were, or seem to be, largely done at the top level by 24 or so.

[Happinesstan]

18 minutes ago, Geordie_once_removed said:

I largely agree but I think its more to do with the fact that things all came a bit too easy for them because of natural gifts. Dyer had terrifying pace over the first 5-10 metres when he first broke through.  He also had incredibly quick feet. Both of these were harmed by a couple of injuries and he didn't have the self discipline to work on other areas of his game to compensate and therefore allow him to stay at that level or even improve overall. 

 

I've not followed Alli closely but I can imagine you could say a similar thing about him.  I know at the very least Owen is a very odd human, but to his credit when he lost his pace due to injuries he really worked on his movement in the box and because of this he was able to largely maintain his overall quality as a player for longer than say Alli and Dyer who both were, or seem to be, largely done at the top level by 24 or so.

Actually Owen is a good example to cite. His goal against Argentina is a perfect example of using his natural gift of speed, but having the composure to slow it down when the control is needed. 

[kingxlnc]

Owen actually not a great example to cite, he was done by age 25-26. That 2006 World cup injury ended him as a genuine force. That purple patch with Keegan was more a good run of form over 10 games but it was alarming how little interest there was in him on a free transfer, which is why he had to create that brochure etc.

 

Owen was world class from 1998-2005. 

Dyer also had a similar peak length wise (although not as high) - From 1999-2006. After that he joined West Ham and signalled the end. 

Alli achieved too much, too soon it seems. But the kind of player he was didn't rely on pace or physical, it was largely movement based. His issues seem mental, not physical. He has lost his drive. Not sure Lampard is the guy to help him get it back, if Mourinho couldn't. 

[kingxlnc]

Self discipline is the key though, and it why we correctly laud the Ronaldo's and Milner's of the world, whilst the Rooney's and Alli's fall by the wayside eventually. 

Joelinton seems very good in that regard. 

[Happinesstan]

7 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Owen actually not a great example to cite, he was done by age 25-26. That 2006 World cup injury ended him as a genuine force. That purple patch with Keegan was more a good run of form over 10 games but it was alarming how little interest there was in him on a free transfer, which is why he had to create that brochure etc.

 

Owen was world class from 1998-2005. 

Dyer also had a similar peak length wise (although not as high) - From 1999-2006. After that he joined West Ham and signalled the end. 

Alli achieved too much, too soon it seems. But the kind of player he was didn't rely on pace or physical, it was largely movement based. His issues seem mental, not physical. He has lost his drive. Not sure Lampard is the guy to help him get it back, if Mourinho couldn't. 

I wasn't talking about their longevity though, and it was a perfect example of what I WAS talking about. Owen might hve been  finished at 25-26 but you can't say he hadn't fulfilled is potential at that time. And tbf you don't say that.

 

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Happinesstan

[Happinesstan]

6 minutes ago, kingxlnc said:

Self discipline is the key though, and it why we correctly laud the Ronaldo's and Milner's of the world, whilst the Rooney's and Alli's fall by the wayside eventually. 

Joelinton seems very good in that regard. 

I'm taking more about self discipline in the moment, the ability to not cream your pants when you discover you're going to get laid. 

[Disco]

Surprised no-one has talked about him being a little workyticket as usual.

[Conjo]

I'd be a bit angry as well if someone I was playing football against all of a sudden was going for a double leg takedown. Too bad for the little Brighton man that it was like Hornswaggle trying to take down Brock Lesnar, and he got put on his arse.

[Heron]

My stream must have cut out when this happened. Personally, I felt Joelinton was one of the few players if not the only player Brighton couldn't handle yesterday. The guy is a unit and his aggression is delicious. I'd whack a 5a on him being booked vs City like

[Hanshithispantz]

I thought he was going to walk like 

 

As funny as it is to see him go full Joe now and then he genuinely looks like he would stick a nut on someone if they wind him up further. Most players tend to have a bit push and then awkwardly look to worm their way out of the situation but he just keeps going 

 

A better shithouse than Solly March could easily have bought a red.

[80]

He needs to watch himself...

[dave s]

1 hour ago, Hanshithispantz said:

I thought he was going to walk like 

 

As funny as it is to see him go full Joe now and then he genuinely looks like he would stick a nut on someone if they wind him up further. Most players tend to have a bit push and then awkwardly look to worm their way out of the situation but he just keeps going 

 

A better shithouse than Solly March could easily have bought a red.

? yeah you’re right there. I reckon joe would keep going into full blown fight if team mates didn’t intervene .. he’s got a temper on him 

[Heron]

Is there a clip of this somewhere? 

[NWMag]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

Is there a clip of this somewhere? 

 

heres part of it 

[Kid Icarus]

They were being absolute cunts tbf and the ref more or less gave them carte blanch to do it.

 

Constant holding, pushing, pulling shirts, and barging. Dunk, Webster, March and Mac Allistar were doing it non-stop.

 

Wilson especially let it get to him and the ref gave him nothing, he'd have been better off hitting the deck every time and winning a few free kicks high up the pitch.

[gbandit]

The ref gave them every single decision. There was one time where there was no way the ref was going to blow but the linesman flagged it. Didn’t recognise the ref but clearly terrible 

[Heron]

38 minutes ago, NWMag said:

 

heres part of it 

Gan on son <3