Flip Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Gate4 said: No shit he's lost, he's not a midfielder. Let's see how much shit it will take for everyone to accept that. Worked fine last season, but do think he plays his best when him and Willock can change position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Should never have started, clearly unfit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Flip said: Worked fine last season, but do think he plays his best when him and Willock can change position. Agreed, looked much better at LW with Willock behind him, so that he’d just drop in when Willock pushed forward. I don’t think he looks at his best just as a MF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 He was charging down opposition and playing one twos with Willock but doesn’t have the ball retention skills or passing range when he’s not receiving the ball holding off a defender and passing into an on rushing Willocks path. Think he’s good in that specific role but not outside of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, Flip said: Worked fine last season, but do think he plays his best when him and Willock can change position. Can't remember him ever looking great in the centre last season, he occasionally "did a job" there, but for me it stifles his game as he tries to be more positionally-disciplined when he's in that role. Playing on the left gives him the freedom to just charge about and hunt people down, as well as allowing him to make those runs in behind which he's good at due to his physicality. At the moment it feels like we're trying to shoehorn Gordon into the team at Joelinton's expense. This is a big problem that Eddie needs to solve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Needs dropping for Longstaff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Give him a rest,something off physically or mentally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 He's definitely better with Willock in the side too but it's harsh to say he's never performed well at CM. He clearly had a lot of very good games there. Longstaff did a lot of the dirty work and covered for both Trippier bombing on and Bruno moving into that right side to link up with Almiron and Trippier. It seems we want Tonali to play a different role getting into the box and influencing play in the final third more. It seems thats at the expense of Tripper getting forward as much and it's kind of had a knock on effect for the rest of the midfield too. With the current options it seems it's probably best to get Longstaff back in that role and play Tonali on the left of the three. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Pinkman Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) The worst game I’ve seen him play under Howe. Could barely string a pass together today. Edited September 2, 2023 by Jesse Pinkman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 47 minutes ago, Gate4 said: No shit he's lost, he's not a midfielder. Let's see how much shit it will take for everyone to accept that. He's literally been great for 18 months there? Poor last few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Kipping in a skipful of porridge last 2 games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: He's literally been great for 18 months there? Poor last few. He always looked far better LW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 34 minutes ago, Andy said: Can't remember him ever looking great in the centre last season, he occasionally "did a job" there, but for me it stifles his game as he tries to be more positionally-disciplined when he's in that role. Playing on the left gives him the freedom to just charge about and hunt people down, as well as allowing him to make those runs in behind which he's good at due to his physicality. At the moment it feels like we're trying to shoehorn Gordon into the team at Joelinton's expense. This is a big problem that Eddie needs to solve. Swap Gordon and Almiron, drop Almiron? This is why these aren’t my calls of course Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, Jaqen said: He's definitely better with Willock in the side too but it's harsh to say he's never performed well at CM. He clearly had a lot of very good games there. Longstaff did a lot of the dirty work and covered for both Trippier bombing on and Bruno moving into that right side to link up with Almiron and Trippier. It seems we want Tonali to play a different role getting into the box and influencing play in the final third more. It seems thats at the expense of Tripper getting forward as much and it's kind of had a knock on effect for the rest of the midfield too. With the current options it seems it's probably best to get Longstaff back in that role and play Tonali on the left of the three. In the 21/22 season he did fine at CM, but last season? I can't remember him having many stand out performances in the middle last season, but he had some amazing displays at the wing. I feel like Joelintons passing ability in tight areas is a weakness for him, which is not that much of a weakness out wide. For a central midfielder it's more of a liability. Edited September 3, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) No, you don't understand. You see, the player who's played in our midfield for 18 months, been player of the season 2 years running and is now in the Brazil squad as a result, well he isn't actually a midfielder. Edited September 3, 2023 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: No, you don't understand. You see, our midfielder who's beem player of the season 2 years running and is now in the Brazil squad as a midfielder, well he isn't actually a midfielder. He looks better in an aggressive press, winning balls, tracking back, being a nuisance. He hasn't done that against three strong teams but then I thinka that's back to the team being more passive in their play. If Joe had been running around like he does there would have been holes in our play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) Some stats from last season. Counting games where he played more than 45 minutes. Joelinton at LW: 8-3-0 (GD 23-4) (4 goals 1 assist) Joelinton at CM: 4-9-5 (GD 24-23) (2 goals 1 assist) Since the start of last season we've won 5 out of 22 games with Joelinton playing at CM. Edited November 11, 2024 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 STATSBOMB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 When Willock played alongside Joe they dovetailed quite a bit and shared both positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 7 minutes ago, madras said: When Willock played alongside Joe they dovetailed quite a bit and shared both positions. Oh, absolutely. But it was still a different role from when he played as a pure CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, Erikse said: Oh, absolutely. But it was still a different role from when he played as a pure CM. I think he's only played centrally once (middle of the 3) away at Leeds and it did t last too long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) Brighton exploited his weaknesses yesterday, they pressed and closed him down quick whenever he received the ball in our half because Joe is weak at those short intricate passes to get himself out of trouble. I can think of maybe 2 or 3 occasions where he had 3 of their players on him and he ended up losing the ball in a bad area. An absolute physical unit as we all know but always has been technically limited.. he’s been off it for a couple of games so far this season. Needs to get back to his best. Edited September 3, 2023 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, madras said: I think he's only played centrally once (middle of the 3) away at Leeds and it did t last too long. We started Maximin at LW at the start of the season. In our losses we started either ASM or Gordon at LW. We also played 5 games with Isak out wide. In all the games I included we started a different player at LW. Edit: Yes, but I didn't mean central of the middle 3. You know what I meant. Edited September 3, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Erikse said: We started Maximin at LW at the start of the season. In our losses we started either ASM or Gordon at LW. We also played 5 games with Isak out wide. In all the games I included we started a different player at LW. Edit: Yes, but I didn't mean central of the middle 3. You know what I meant. I honestly didn't. A pure CM to me is the middle, not those on either side that regularly pull very wide. Sorry for the confusion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted September 3, 2023 Share Posted September 3, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, madras said: I honestly didn't. A pure CM to me is the middle, not those on either side that regularly pull very wide. Sorry for the confusion Sure, don't know if the term "pure CM" is even a thing anyways. What is a pure CB then? Neither LCB or RCB? Who knows Guess I was supposed to say LCM. Edited September 3, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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