Infinitely Content Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 The way he looks in that video he is playing with about a million percent more urgency and intensity. Nothing timid about that player there. Dribbles with intention, passes with purpose, shoots the ball believing he will score. It's as if ability is determined by confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 To think Rondon would've cost a fraction of this guys fee. Great sell on for Joelinton btw - I predict what, £10M? Morelos would have probably been £10-15m cheaper. 10-15m cheaper than the made-up amount we paid? As Ashley didn't let go of anywhere near £40 million on this average footballer (who has never produced anything to suggest he would cost big money). I'd be amazed if he even cost £20 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 We’ll see in the financial report won’t we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 The way he looks in that video he is playing with about a million percent more urgency and intensity. Nothing timid about that player there. Dribbles with intention, passes with purpose, shoots the ball believing he will score. He still looks pretty slow with his feet to me, considering the pace of the PL especially. Also, that whole video shows him doing very little in reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 We’ll see in the financial report won’t we? Do undisclosed fees get published in the reports? If so, only about 2 years to wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 We’ll see in the financial report won’t we? Do undisclosed fees get published in the reports? If so, only about 2 years to wait. Not sure. Hoffenheim themselves said it was the record fee received. Firmino was around £28m? So it’s somewhere above that at least. Not sure why the scepticism over the £40m came from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 From what I've seen there are two main problems with Joelinton: 1) Steve Bruce 2) Joelinton Both factors are contributing to his failure here thus far. Bruce is isolating him and has no idea how to utilise him, but Joelinton isn't helping himself with his indecisive play and clear lack of both confidence and quality in front of goal. As I've said previously, he looks like he wants too much time on the ball to be effective at this level, nothing he does is either instinctive or decisive. He's far too slow at getting shots away when he's carrying the ball and constantly allows defenders to recover or keepers to set themselves, which is a huge deal given the pace of our league and one that foreign players who have these issues have historically struggled to overcome. With Steve Bruce managing him I can only see him getting worse rather than better as his confidence continues to deteriorate. I think he'd be a good player in Serie A, Ligue Un or maybe even La Liga but he'll always struggle in this league unless he can change his game completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 We’ll see in the financial report won’t we? Do undisclosed fees get published in the reports? If so, only about 2 years to wait. Not sure. Hoffenheim themselves said it was the record fee received. Firmino was around £28m? So it’s somewhere above that at least. Not sure why the scepticism over the £40m came from? The scepticism could come from Ashley's refusal until now to spend serious money, and could also come from the fact that Joelinton hasn't really done anything to warrant such a price. So theres 2 reasons. But let's be honest, with our owner, you always need to be sceptical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 But we know one of the reasons Rafa left was because he didn’t think he was worth £40m. He left and we bought him anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 But we know one of the reasons Rafa left was because he didn’t think he was worth £40m. He left and we bought him anyway. Am I right in thinking we bought him whilst we didn’t even have a manager? This transfer was always going through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 It was official after Bruce arrived but it was first out that we were after him as soon as the January window ended. Which proves he was being signed whether Rafa was here, Bruce or whoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 It was official after Bruce arrived but it was first out that we were after him as soon as the January window ended. Which proves he was being signed whether Rafa was here, Bruce or whoever. So he’s a Bruce signing then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I think they dressed it up as, ‘Bruce signed the deal off’ or some crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I think they dressed it up as, ‘Bruce (was told he had) signed the deal off’ or some crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 But we know one of the reasons Rafa left was because he didn’t think he was worth £40m. He left and we bought him anyway. That's not one of the reasons Rafa left though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 But we know one of the reasons Rafa left was because he didn’t think he was worth £40m. He left and we bought him anyway. That's not one of the reasons Rafa left though. He felt the money could be spent better elsewhere. Same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 But we know one of the reasons Rafa left was because he didn’t think he was worth £40m. He left and we bought him anyway. That's not one of the reasons Rafa left though. He felt the money could be spent better elsewhere. Same thing. He left because there was no trust and no ambition and things were not being done right. The situation you describe is just one of hundreds of examples of this in action. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I agree in that he probably felt the money could be better spent. I'd be sure he also felt £20 million could be better spent. It's not as if he needs targets identified to him by Ashley and his cronies. I've just not seen it mentioned as a particular factor in his leaving. I could have missed something though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I don't think he cited it as a reason. I vaguely remember Ashley saying that Rafa only thought he was worth c.£20m so Ashley said he'd fund the rest himself. I'm sure he's reneged on that now that Rafa has left... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I don't think he cited it as a reason. I vaguely remember Ashley saying that Rafa only thought he was worth c.£20m so Ashley said he'd fund the rest himself. I'm sure he's reneged on that now that Rafa has left... How would Ashley fund the rest himself? Pay the other £20m out of his personal account? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I don't think he cited it as a reason. I vaguely remember Ashley saying that Rafa only thought he was worth c.£20m so Ashley said he'd fund the rest himself. I'm sure he's reneged on that now that Rafa has left... How would Ashley fund the rest himself? Pay the other £20m out of his personal account? He could write off £20m from his loans I suppose. No idea if we paid cash up front or whether it was in instalments. Either way I doubt it would mean him physically paying over £20m immediately, and in reality I doubt he will subsidise it all now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 One day doing transfers normally like a regular club will prevail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I don't think he cited it as a reason. I vaguely remember Ashley saying that Rafa only thought he was worth c.£20m so Ashley said he'd fund the rest himself. I'm sure he's reneged on that now that Rafa has left... How would Ashley fund the rest himself? Pay the other £20m out of his personal account? He could write off £20m from his loans I suppose. No idea if we paid cash up front or whether it was in instalments. Either way I doubt it would mean him physically paying over £20m immediately, and in reality I doubt he will subsidise it all now! Ashley write off £20m of loans you say? Hmmm...that never occurred to me for some reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Give the lad his due he hasn't faked an injury and bottled it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 only dipping in and out of the threads these days but he looked far more comfortable vs. burnley roaming about and looking for the ball than he does standing 50 yards from the rest of the team trying to get his head on long balls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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