Thomson Mouse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, madras said: Top of the French league when PSG weren't the force they are now. So much so we could by their better players. He cam with a reputation for being lazy and unwilling to work despite being fantastic when he had the ball. And for the most part he that’s what he was. Beresford made up for a lot of his defensive inadequacies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Agree with all that except output. His output would be fine to good if he could start enough games and other players could finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, AyeDubbleYoo said: Agree with all that except output. His output would be fine to good if he could start enough games and other players could finish. And he can’t. He won’t want to be on the bench so let’s be ruthless for once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) The thing with HBA was that it felt like we'd won the lottery with him only for us to be robbed of it by Pardew. He left and scored 17 goals for Nice. The talent was obvious to see and him being an obvious cunt off the pitch didn't matter to us, we just needed some entertainment and Pardew seemed to do everything in his power to deprive us of it. I just don't feel that from Maxi. I think the stick he gets about his end product is absolute nonsense, he's a fantastic player, but his downsides are apparent, the major one being that he comes onto the pitch bandaged from head to toe because he constantly suffers muscle injuries. In another dimension he's a world beater, but unfortunately the best thing for him in this reality is being able to saunter around in the 50 degree heat, rinsing a 40 year old, dehydrated Jordan Henderson. He's the definition of a maverick player, he'll build up a great TikTok following and he'll be happy with that. Howe obviously thinks Harvey Barnes is going to be a much better player for us so we can chill out and just enjoy watching him rattle the net repeatedly. Edited July 19, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, madras said: Top of the French league when PSG weren't the force they are now. So much so we could by their better players. He cam with a reputation for being lazy and unwilling to work despite being fantastic when he had the ball. Okay Madras, agree to disagree Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Okay Madras, agree to disagree Agreed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infatuation Junkie Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Each to their own. He has consistently pissed me off with lack of back tracking when losing the ball. Maybe he’s changed. But I really can’t see him fitting into our style of play. Imagine in a few years when we are selling bruno or botman. People are going to go akka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Infatuation Junkie said: Each to their own. He has consistently pissed me off with lack of back tracking when losing the ball. Maybe he’s changed. But I really can’t see him fitting into our style of play. Imagine in a few years when we are selling bruno or botman. People are going to go akka Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: II think the stick he gets about his end product is absolute nonsense Dont think its nonsense. He could and should have more assists but apart from that his numbers are poor. its a fair criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, nufc123 said: Dont think its nonsense. He could and should have more assists but apart from that his numbers are poor. its a fair criticism. What numbers a poor though? He passes the eye test too, his penetrative passing in and around the box is very good. His whipped crossing is probably the best in the squad too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: What numbers a poor though? Assists/Goals. End product. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fountain Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I'll be sad if he goes but I'll understand the decision. For a few years he was the one good thing about watching the lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, nufc123 said: Assists/Goals. End product. Also tracking back, quick to get up off the grass and reposition, least number of bandages! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Only ever looked good in a crap team . Found out when the team got better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, nufc123 said: Assists/Goals. End product. It's probably been drummed into the ground already but his assists per 90 is in the top 4%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Loved his flair when hes on it, but it happens too rarely and he misses far too many games, as well as 2 assists only in 2023. Barnes offers us a different but far more consistent threat. Barnes assists weren't too bad either when Leicester had good strikers in form instead of a washed vardy they had last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said: It's probably been drummed into the ground already but his assists per 90 is in the top 4%. Poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) Thought ASM showed significant improvement under Howe. He should’ve had more assists, but he was feeding players who couldn’t finish. Barnes’ doesn’t get many assists, but I expect he will do better with us under Howe than he did with LC under Rodgers. Edited July 19, 2023 by gazza ladra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 45 minutes ago, wormy said: Where's your data? www.catsarecunts.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Has he gone yet? Taking longer to go than it took James Brown to leave the stage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said: It's probably been drummed into the ground already but his assists per 90 is in the top 4%. What does the goal stat say? Like I said its a fair criticism. Its reason why poeple bring it up often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 You know what will be weird is that in four, five years time we will be like man city selling multiple title winning players, with fantastic stats for 35 million or less and not even batting an eyelid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Think it’s mainly a shame that we didn’t get to see him have a run of games last season. If he’d managed to play ten in a row, really lace together some good performances then we’d all feel differently about this Im sure. Would feel like a massive mistake but then we probably wouldn’t be selling him if he’d stayed injury free. Or if he had been injury free and we were selling him it would have been because he couldn’t play consistently enough. It’s all just a bit what-if with Maxi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, nufc123 said: What does the goal stat say? Like I said its a fair criticism. Its reason why poeple bring it up often. His goal scoring stats are shite. You specified goals and assists as being 'end product' though and said his numbers were poor? They aren't poor though as he's very good at creating chances. Like I say, he passes the eye test too, I'm not just basing this off of FBref. I've said plenty times in match threads that I don't get the criticisms of him in the final 3rd as he puts dangerous balls in all the time. Edited July 19, 2023 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, gbandit said: It’s all just a bit what-if with Maxi This sums it up perfectly for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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