CPL Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) Robert played in a much better team, pushing for champions league every year and at one point pushing for the title. Who can forget the victory against Arsenal to break the London hoodoo? Not to also mention, he had the likes of Shearer to attack his crosses and the pace of Bellamy and Dyer to allow him more space and dominate most games. For me, hard to compare. Give it a few years when hopefully ASM is still here and playing in a much better team. Edited January 29, 2022 by CPL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I always liked Robert when he was on it he was brilliant but he was very hit and miss - defenders got away with murder back then aswell which probably contributed to that - it definitely did with ginola Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 24 minutes ago, CPL said: Robert played in a much better team, pushing for champions league every year and at one point pushing for the title.Who can forget the victory against Arsenal to break the London hoodoo? Not to also mention, he had the likes of Shearer to attack his crosses and the pace of Bellamy and Dyer to allow him more space and dominate most games. For me, hard to compare. Give it a few years when hopefully ASM is still here and playing in a much better team. We had 4 seasons very similar to the last 4 we’ve had before this season prior to him & Bellamy arriving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, KaKa said: ASM or Nobby? Nobby is the best of the lot, man. Arguably one of our greatest players of all time. Edited January 29, 2022 by Sima Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Nobby easily, goals, end product, team player, classy on the ball and just an all-rounder. Vastly underrated in the PL era he played in, he’d be worth an absolute fortune today! Robert over ASM too, although the latter is the better footballer, Robert was dynamic without having to even run at players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: Nobby easily, goals, end product, team player, classy on the ball and just an all-rounder. Vastly underrated in the PL era he played in, he’d be worth an absolute fortune today! Robert over ASM too, although the latter is the better footballer, Robert was dynamic without having to even run at players. Aye, he could cross the ball from about 40 yards from the byline, but whip it so it was as though he was within 20 yards. Awesome technique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 The questions at the minute should be nearer ASM or Glass tbh, not fucking Laurent Robert. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: The questions at the minute should be nearer ASM or Glass tbh, not fucking Laurent Robert. He’s way closer to Lua Lua than he is Robert, Ginola or HBA imo. And he’s absolutely nowhere near Solano. Edited January 29, 2022 by Sima Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 He has kept us up on his own two seasons running. Impossible to compare his performances/stats to players who were part of a team qualifying for Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, elbee909 said: Interestingly ASM's stats are quite similar to Robert's. I guess we've just chosen to forget the similarly frustrating stuff. Eh? ASM is frustrating because he plays himself into danger not because he doesn't score/create enough. It's a good record for a traditional winger like Robert. Edited January 29, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 4 hours ago, elbee909 said: Interestingly ASM's stats are quite similar to Robert's. I guess we've just chosen to forget the similarly frustrating stuff. Robert (and Bellamy) transformed us from a lower midtable side to Champions League and title contenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 All I said - and you can look it up yourself if you like - was that Robert and ASM's stats for goals/assists per game are similar. That's it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 The way ASM plays we'd be wanting near Mahrez numbers from him soon like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I don't get the ASM hate mind. Not sure if hate is the right word like but you get my drift. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, elbee909 said: All I said - and you can look it up yourself if you like - was that Robert and ASM's stats for goals/assists per game are similar. That's it. Yeah but you quoted me and missed off the reason why ASM's stats aren't really great. "ASM is great to watch but his stats aren't the greatest given the downsides of his game." He's upped his rate this season and will hopefully hit double digits in goals. 1 in 7 though isn't really something we can carry going forwards unless he improves other aspects of his game, he'll just be replaced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mr Raspberry Jam said: I don't get the ASM hate mind. Not sure if hate is the right word like but you get my drift. Definitely don't hate him myself, I like him. The comparisons with Robert, Solano and HBA are inviting ridicule that's maybe misread as a dislike for him though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: Definitely don't hate him myself, I like him. The comparisons with Robert, Solano and HBA are inviting ridicule that's maybe misread as a dislike for him though. Aye. He's the kind of player I watch football for, I love him tbh. I just think realistically, unless he improves a lot, he's not going to be a superstar. At the minute he's one of them "he wouldn't be at Newcastle if he did X and Y" but if things go to plan we'll be beyond all of that after the Summer transfer window Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) You also have to consider how many goals someone like Robert would have got in a 4-3-3 system playing directly off Shearer. The goal he scored in the FA Cup at home to Arsenal being a glimpse. He sometimes played off the striker for PSG and scored 15 league goals the season before we signed him. Edited January 29, 2022 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
greydos Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) This topic is just so sad at the moment. For all the people saying ASM is too individualistic and has to work on team awareness you really need to take an honest appraisal of our team. Our centre midfield has no legs. So of course ASM when he receives the ball on half way, he can make it to the edge of the box with great skill in say 5 seconds, but he then has to hold the ball for 10 seconds whilst our snow-plough midfield plods forward. If ASM was breaking with Dyer, Speed, Bellamy joining the attack he’d have 3 competent players with him instantly. Yet his reality for 2 years has been if he breaks he has to wait for Shelvey, Longstaff, Hayden to catch up. And those 3, as slow as they are, don’t have the balls to bust it to get forward as they know they’ll likely lose it and leave a massive gap to Lascelles, Clark, Krafth and the like, who in turn will be very slow to progress up. In short, often ASM has to beat players, move up the pitch and then wait like 20 seconds for his team to arrive up with him, as this newcastle team has no way of controlling possession so the whole team is up the pitch together. He’s holding the ball in a way that’s necessary. Put him in a better team and that changes I think. For a start, if the midfield can progress the team up the pitch (hello Bruno G!), he’d receive the ball more often 30 yards from goal in the half spaces rather than on the halfway line. He’ll be twice as dangerous and teams will more likely sit back against us. I agree with ASM in his interview where he said if he was beating one man and then could square to Mbappe to finish, his assists would go through the roof and people would say he’s amazing. Edited January 29, 2022 by greydos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 11 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Definitely don't hate him myself, I like him. The comparisons with Robert, Solano and HBA are inviting ridicule that's maybe misread as a dislike for him though. Aye. Wasn't referring to this thread specifically tbh, just more of the comments made across the board over the last few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 He's been a very important player for us this last two seasons. Our passing game has been really poor and we've relied on his individual ability to beat opponents. However, his passing isn't that great, and I honestly wonder how he'll adjust if the team develops a more modern style, like all the better teams. That's surely what Howe is aiming for. He's the sort of player who thrives on a free role, with the team built around him. I think that's the reason why bigger clubs haven't been in for him. That's not the way they think. The interview was a bit unwise, I felt. Alongside his statement of love for the club, he was also talking about the possibility of leaving. It sounded like, I'd like to stay, but if we go down, I'm off. It's okay to think like that, but some thoughts are better kept to oneself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Aye. He's the kind of player I watch football for, I love him tbh. I just think realistically, unless he improves a lot, he's not going to be a superstar. At the minute he's one of them "he wouldn't be at Newcastle if he did X and Y" but if things go to plan we'll be beyond all of that after the Summer transfer window I think he could be more direct at times, but he's class. No problem whatsoever with him saying he wants to win the balon d'Or and he could be a superstar. Would be weird if he didn't have lofty targets like that and I wouldn't poo-poo it at all. It's the comparisons of him now that are crackers. Robert got a goal or an assist in like 3/4 games in his first season with us. Nobby's in Shearer's goals DVD almost as much as Shearer is because of the amount of assists he got. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 @HTT II losing out in the long posts category nowadays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detritus Bramble Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) I think he’s shone in a poor side where, alongside Wilson, he’s been the only one offering any attacking threat. I think he liked playing for Bruce because his remit was basically go out and do what you want in the final third. Can he be more of a team player in a side that’s actually being coached? Can he perform better with better players alongside him? Can he become more consistent? The jury’s out to be honest, which is why some fans doubt him a bit. There’s no question he’s been one of the few bright sparks over the last couple of years though Edited January 29, 2022 by Detritus Bramble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 Can we just stop comparing him to previous players? It just turns into everyone focusing on ASM's flaws every time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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