Heron Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 19 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: For me his final shot or pass has been poor since he returned from injury and that's what's forming people's opinions of him, which is fair enough. I don't think much else about his game has gotten worse though, in fact it's got better in some areas. If he can sort his end product out, people will miraculously start saying he's a a world beater again imo. There's nowt miraculous about that though is there. It's standard crack... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Most of the people wanting rid are also the same people piling on Wood every game, despite his painfully obvious limitations. Think that's a bit of a sweeping generalisation tbh. I have no issue with Wood. He gives it his all and keeps it simple because he's aware of his abilities (or lack of). There are times when ASMs attitude don't seem quite right/what we currently need and despite him being a very intelligent person and talented footballer he could be so much better if he applied a different attitude or made better decisions, both of which he is absolutely capable of. He's a likeable lad, a talented footballer and an undeniable threat, but we aren't getting the maximum out of Maximin. Edited May 1, 2022 by Heron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Just now, Heron said: It's not so mich that he doesn't pass as that he doesn't make the right decisions for me. With and without the ball. Should have played to Krafth on the overlap running into the box yesterday being one example. I agree he definitely still needs to improve like, but that's fine imo because he already is improving. There were times earlier in the season where he'd always ignore Targett on the overlap or not play that first time pass to Joelinton against Wolves and I'd be tearing my hair out, he's improved and will hopefully continue to improve. His shooting especially at the moment is bizarre though, he keeps seeming to scuff shots at 3mph with his instep, if he could sort that out it would cover for his sons while he's improving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I agree he definitely still needs to improve like, but that's fine imo because he already is improving. There were times earlier in the season where he'd always ignore Targett on the overlap or not play that first time pass to Joelinton against Wolves and I'd be tearing my hair out, he's improved and will hopefully continue to improve. His shooting especially at the moment is bizarre though, he keeps seeming to scuff shots at 3mph with his instep, if he could sort that out it would cover for his sons while he's improving. Ironically, I think it's a confidence thing. He's snatching at them (shots) and not composing himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Heron said: There's nowt miraculous about that though is there. It's standard crack... Aw aye it's standard crack for opinions to go for one pole to the other like that. I'm just saying that it's fine margins and not something to give up on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Howe is obviously trying to change his game for the betterment of the team and it’s coincided with him being in poor form. Not much is happening for him at the moment and it can be frustrating - you can see even he is frustrated - but he’ll be fine next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Zaha scored his 13th of the season, from 33 apps, yesterday. ASM needs to stare at an oxyacetylene flame for a while till his eyes bulge like Wilfred's and go again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Smal said: Howe is obviously trying to change his game for the betterment of the team and it’s coincided with him being in poor form. Not much is happening for him at the moment and it can be frustrating - you can see even he is frustrated - but he’ll be fine next season. You cannot be so certain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Zaha scored his 13th of the season, from 33 apps, yesterday. ASM needs to stare at an oxyacetylene flame for a while till his eyes bulge like Wilfred's and go again. People compare ASM to Zaha but the level of output is on another level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: People compare ASM to Zaha but the level of output is on another level. Absolutely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Saw a couple of people mention he’s been sulking and out of form since Bruce left but that’s not exactly true is it? He played arguably his best ever game for us v Everton under Howe. He has also been poor/average for the last 4-5 games. Why is there never balance when judging players like this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 He gets double and tripled up on by the more savvy teams and that obviously nullifies him. They wouldn’t be able to do that if we had another similar threat on the opposite wing or up front. We just don’t have that yet so St Maximin gets the full attention. I think we need to cut him some more slack until we upgrade the team a bit more. He could do with cutting out the throwing up his arms and having a paddy stuff though. Not a good look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, St1pe said: Saw a couple of people mention he’s been sulking and out of form since Bruce left but that’s not exactly true is it? He played arguably his best ever game for us v Everton under Howe. He has also been poor/average for the last 4-5 games. Why is there never balance when judging players like this? Contradicting yourself a bit here. Agree on the Everton game but whilst he may not be sulking his body language doesn't exactly suggest he's particularly happy... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, LV said: He gets double and tripled up on by the more savvy teams and that obviously nullifies him. They wouldn’t be able to do that if we had another similar threat on the opposite wing or up front. We just don’t have that yet so St Maximin gets the full attention. I think we need to cut him some more slack until we upgrade the team a bit more. He could do with cutting out the throwing up his arms and having a paddy stuff though. Not a good look. Yep. Isn't good for team mates either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 53 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: His shooting especially at the moment is bizarre though, he keeps seeming to scuff shots at 3mph with his instep, if he could sort that out it would cover for his sons while he's improving. I was saying this yesterday, he’s always leaning and falling backwards when he takes a shot as well (Actually scored like that vs Man United). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 26 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: People compare ASM to Zaha but the level of output is on another level. They’re not similar at all are they? I don’t get the comparison. Zaha is pretty direct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comegetasample Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 He's a fantastic player who is in poor form. I actually think he'll get sold after next season regardless of performance, if he has a good season he'll go for 50-75m. We need to be selling correctly and he'll be a good asset to capitalise on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, LV said: He gets double and tripled up on by the more savvy teams and that obviously nullifies him. They wouldn’t be able to do that if we had another similar threat on the opposite wing or up front. We just don’t have that yet so St Maximin gets the full attention. I think we need to cut him some more slack until we upgrade the team a bit more. He could do with cutting out the throwing up his arms and having a paddy stuff though. Not a good look. if he's getting two or three men marking him, surely that means there's space all over the rest of the pitch at that point since he's taken so many players out of position. Just imagine if he released the ball in time at that point, we'd be in a great position to hurt the opposition instead of losing the ball when he tries to beat the third man and score a wonder goal which would delight Bruce/Pardew in previous years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 minute ago, TRon said: if he's getting two or three men marking him, surely that means there's space all over the rest of the pitch at that point since he's taken so many players out of position. Just imagine if he released the ball in time at that point, we'd be in a great position to hurt the opposition instead of losing the ball when he tries to beat the third man and score a wonder goal which would delight Bruce/Pardew in previous years. I just don’t think he gets a chance to get the ball off due to being surrounded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) The men don’t need to follow him around, they’re able to close in from their normal positions because he holds onto the ball for a long time. Or he turns a double team into a triple team himself by running into another defender. That’s how it looks to me anyway. Also it’s very difficult for anyone to overlap him with confidence because of how he moves. Edited May 1, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: The men don’t need to follow him around, they’re able to close in from their normal positions because he holds onto the ball for a long time. Or he turns a double team into a triple team himself by running into another defender. That’s how it looks to me anyway. Precisely. He's a terrible team player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Thought he’s getting there, seemed better yesterday (and has done in recent weeks) at releasing the ball and passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 I think it's possible to rate him and hate him in the same breathe. Obvs has an abundance of ability but his decision making and, more often than not, execution of said decision is woeful. As for the pantomime antics, he can get to fuck with that carry on. Said the same thing when Ritchie did it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Judging him specifically against Liverpool yesterday is harsh. As soon as they lose possession they are all over you trying to get the ball back. They doubled up on ASM because they know the danger he can pose. He is trying to pass the ball more and his decision making is improving, but he needs more quality around him in the final third. We are so static at times and even the odd time we do get in a decent position, we had only one person to aim at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 38 minutes ago, Heron said: Contradicting yourself a bit here. Agree on the Everton game but whilst he may not be sulking his body language doesn't exactly suggest he's particularly happy... I just think he’s playing a bit shite and it’s probably been a knock to his confidence. He seems very in touch with the fan base and maybe some of the online criticism has got to him. I’m convinced with better attacking players a long side him he’ll be too quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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