Novocastrian Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 ASM was the one player I really wanted to see playing with better players post-takeover. I hope he stays, he’s been inconsistent but the few highs we’ve seen dwarf most of his contemporaries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 9 hours ago, andycap said: So wait there what winger in our team can do what he does? Miggy scored a load but it was obviously a purple patch. The other alternatives are Murphy who can do a job and an undercooked gordon. The wingers we've been after are quoted as been 80 mil. I'd rather keep maxi You're talking about us as we are now. I'd be disappointed if we got to September and Maxi was still our best winger. I think we'll sell for £30m ish and upgrade by getting a better right-winger for £40-50m ish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 it's fascinating reading all the different interpretations of that message, mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I think he will go and Gordon is the one ear marked for his position. Gordon is nowhere near and I suspect never will be as talented or effective as ASM. He's still our best winger and we should be looking for upwards of 40m for him. I think he might be off. Injuries have really held him back this year but I really don't want him to go. If we're planning to replace him with Anthony Gordon, were in for a ride awakening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: You're talking about us as we are now. I'd be disappointed if we got to September and Maxi was still our best winger. I think we'll sell for £30m ish and upgrade by getting a better right-winger for £40-50m ish. Agreed, I don’t bit into the whole ASM thing - sure he has good moments but if we get that kind of money for him then I personally think we’re could replace with better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Just now, Doctor Zaius said: Gordon is nowhere near and I suspect never will be as talented or effective as ASM. He's still our best winger and we should be looking for upwards of 40m for him. I think he might be off. Injuries have really held him back this year but I really don't want him to go. If we're planning to replace him with Anthony Gordon, were in for a ride awakening. I hear you, my assumption is based upon Howes preference to play with inverted wingers and Gordon fitting in more with what I view as Howes desirable traits in a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Just because Gordon isn't as talented, it doesn't mean that he can't be more effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Just because Gordon isn't as talented, it doesn't mean that he can't be more effective. I think this goes over a lot of peoples heads, fitting within a system and style dictates how effective a player can potentially be far more than raw talent. Edited June 6, 2023 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Sounds like a cry for help from Maxi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Gordon isn't currently anymore effective than ASM... with less talent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 I’ll be surprised (but not disappointed) if he doesn’t go this window. Really enjoyed having him in the team, but suspect his time is up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: Gordon isn't currently anymore effective than ASM... with less talent That’s true but missing the point no? I think what people are saying is basically who would you trust to follow a tactical instruction such as tracking back? ASM or Gordon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 25 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I think he will go and Gordon is the one ear marked for his position. Think that would be a huge mistake personally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GEFAFWISP Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, r0cafella said: That’s true but missing the point no? I think what people are saying is basically who would you trust to follow a tactical instruction such as tracking back? ASM or Gordon? Neither. Gordon's off the ball positioning is one of his weaker attributes. They've both showed willing in second half of this past season but neither are particularly great at it. Unless he's replaced with an upgrade getting rid is a nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, r0cafella said: That’s true but missing the point no? I think what people are saying is basically who would you trust to follow a tactical instruction such as tracking back? ASM or Gordon? Not to have a go at him, but Gordon didn’t track back well at all since we signed him. Maybe that was down to fitness issues so we will see come next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Think that would be a huge mistake personally It’s important to note, this is just my hunch and not based upon anything. Whether it’s a mistake or not very much depends, I’m not convinced by Gordon yet but I am by Howe and he’s shown and proven his ability to transform a player. ASM is definitely one of the most talented players at the club and he’s definitely shown more effort since the Gaffa came in but is it enough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Left Maxi Gordon Anderson Isak Willock/Joelinton hybrid Right Almiron Murphy We're stacked with players on the left, the right side we have a glaring lack of ability, consistency and depth. If we're needing to move one on this summer to help with FFP a bit, he's the one that is going to get the money in, we have no-one that's on the fringes of the team that would sell for that. Use the £30m from Maxi plus whatever we were going to spend anyway on: LB CMx2 RW We're a helluva lot stronger across the starting XI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 24 minutes ago, r0cafella said: That’s true but missing the point no? I think what people are saying is basically who would you trust to follow a tactical instruction such as tracking back? ASM or Gordon? Neither are naturals at it and both are trying. Gordon has better work rate but doesn't know what to do with it and lacks stamina. ASM does a good job at it but lacks the natural workrate So I would go with the more talented player if both are willing to try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Would Dom S not play the inverted winger on the left if we signed him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Neither are naturals at it and both are trying. Gordon has better work rate but doesn't know what to do with it and lacks stamina. ASM does a good job at it but lacks the natural workrate So I would go with the more talented player if both are willing to try. Or do what Eddie does and leave them both on the bench for options that currently work better in our system. Edited June 6, 2023 by reefatoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Left Maxi Gordon Anderson Isak Willock/Joelinton hybrid Right Almiron Murphy We're stacked with players on the left, the right side we have a glaring lack of ability, consistency and depth. If we're needing to move one on this summer to help with FFP a bit, he's the one that is going to get the money in, we have no-one that's on the fringes of the team that would sell for that. Use the £30m from Maxi plus whatever we were going to spend anyway on: LB CMx2 RW We're a helluva lot stronger across the starting XI. When you look at the balance of the squad you’re right. We can afford to lose a LW and Maxi is currently our most saleable asset there. Sure he is talented but the group we have can arguably cover what he brings and offer more to the team defensively. I will miss him, but the money needs to be used elsewhere. He’s a brilliant talent, and I will look out for him, but he’s not really what we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 There are big questions over Gordon/Anderson/Isak on the left though, none are perfect options at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, NWMag said: Would Dom S not play the inverted winger on the left if we signed him? More likely on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: There are big questions over Gordon/Anderson/Isak on the left though, none are perfect options at the moment. Signing a better left-back and midfielders would make us better overall though. I don't know a single team in the league who can say they've went 4 years since selling a player for £20m plus, that's crazy. FFP is a thing, we're going to have to at least pretend to stick to it at some point. Unless we're selling someone we've just bought like Bruno, Botman or Isak, I don't see anyone other than Maxi who will bring a fee in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, GEFAFWISP said: Neither. Gordon's off the ball positioning is one of his weaker attributes. They've both showed willing in second half of this past season but neither are particularly great at it. Unless he's replaced with an upgrade getting rid is a nonsense. Tbf, watching Gordon catch up with and rob Sterling was surprising and heartening in equal measure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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