Gawalls Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Admit I’m not his biggest fan but just checked his stats and he got 5 assists last season compared to murphys 2, joelingtons 1, longstaffs 2, miggys 1 etc. that’s still quite impressive for his limited time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, Sempiternal said: Only sell if we have a better replacement lined up. And even then it’s a risk. See Sancho/Antony. PL production isn’t easy to find Sancho would be AMAZING under Howe. Guarantee it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gawalls said: Admit I’m not his biggest fan but just checked his stats and he got 5 assists last season compared to murphys 2, joelingtons 1, longstaffs 2, miggys 1 etc. that’s still quite impressive for his limited time. Could've had 5 or 6 more if anyone could finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 13 minutes ago, Sempiternal said: Only sell if we have a better replacement lined up. And even then it’s a risk. See Sancho/Antony. PL production isn’t easy to find Gordon is the replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, Shearergol said: Sancho would be AMAZING under Howe. Guarantee it. I love Howe but can’t see it myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 8 minutes ago, Matt1892 said: Gordon is the replacement. That won’t be enough. Gordon is useful on transitions but relying on him when teams sit deep, which they will next season, is a fools errand imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Could've had 5 or 6 more if anyone could finish. Fair but others would have as well Edited June 6, 2023 by Gawalls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 True, but if you watch ASM's highlights he really has laid some great chances on a plate for midfielders to miss. Like, fairly standard 'knock that in mate' stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 16 minutes ago, Shearergol said: Sancho would be AMAZING under Howe. Guarantee it. No he wouldn't. He doesn't have that work rate or dog in him to succeed at the highest level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 7 minutes ago, Sempiternal said: That won’t be enough. Gordon is useful on transitions but relying on him when teams sit deep, which they will next season, is a fools errand imo The issue when teams sit deep will be rectified in other areas of the pitch, which appears to be on the right wing and through the middle from the positions we are looking at. I think Joelinton will start wide left and Willock on the left of midfield, the right is in for a makeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 54 minutes ago, Big River said: most of the discussion has been based around what he offers on the pitch, which is fair enough of course, as that's all we really get to see. but what if (like some people have suspected all along) he's a total nightmare behind the scenes? regularly kicks up a fuss, ignores coaches/staff advice, and is generally just a moody arsehole? would people be happier shifting him knowing that was the case? because not to get all ITK, but I've heard first hand (from sources inside the club) that's he's all of those things above and more. he's really not well liked. so I wouldn't be surprised at all if we're cutting our losses, despite what he can do on the pitch. and he's been told we're finding him a new club. sorry to make one of those posts, but there you go. don't shot the messenga Can I shoot the messenger? I'm not sure why you would post this unless you can verifiably say it's the certain truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, Smal said: Can I shoot the messenger? I'm not sure why you would post this unless you can verifiably say it's the certain truth. it is the certain truth. where did I allude to it being anything but? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, Smal said: Can I shoot the messenger? I'm not sure why you would post this unless you can verifiably say it's the certain truth. Whats more certain than a first hand source inside the club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 59 minutes ago, Shearergol said: It does, because we haven't. Simple as that. The transfer window isn’t even open yet ? Let’s judge at the end of the window but fairly confident it will be strong enough to include ASM. Especially when Manchester United carry the likes of Antony and Sancho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magvicar Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Whatever happens we have too trust in Eddie Howe because he's earned it and then some. I don't want Maxi to go just as most don't I would think and nothing suggests he is going anywhere except for whoever reads whatever into his post, which I've already stated my view that he's staying. A few things we know for certain. 1. We are in the champions league. 2. We will be adding more top quality to the squad. 3 A certain amount of players will certainly be leaving the club. We have a manager that's diligent and leaves no stone unturned in his quest to make this club a full on force along with the coaching staff and the obvious full on change of personnel in the scouting market and so on. Very few players will want to leave this club unless they are forced to leave or in some cases a boyhood dream club comes in for the odd player, which generally accounts for players of most clubs in the world. Which club can offer Maxi a better set up than Newcastle United, as it stands? Very few in my honest opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 22 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: No he wouldn't. He doesn't have that work rate or dog in him to succeed at the highest level. Incredibly harsh to judge him on his time at Man United. He's had a number of personal issues, but saying he hasn't got the dog in him to succeed is a huge assumption. We'd written a number of our own players off until Howe got hold of them. Sancho will go back to Germany and sort himself out again anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, The College Dropout said: I don't totally buy that. The whole team dribbles - A LOT. Joe, Willock, Bruno. Murphy, Almiron, Gordon are also all ball carriers. This thread irks me, so I'll try and stay out after this post. Personally, I want our most talented players to succeed at this club, and I'd like ASM to stay and fight for his place. I will never understand the eagerness in some quarters to move on big talents if they're willing to stay, fight and improve. Pictures below from last season. I remember a stat showing that he had the most amount of dribbles out of all players in Europes top 5 leagues. We had a 39% possession last season, third lowest in the league. Yet he made this crazy amount of dribbles. In 20/21 we had the second lowest, and in 19/20 we had the least amount of possession out of all teams. In both of those seasons he was top 3 in attempted dribbles in the entire league. So, clearly our tactics relied a lot more on counter attacks by having Maxi dribble his way through. His decision making issues became more apparent this season when we were playing a different style of football, moving the ball around quicker. I mean his dribbling stats are impressive, but you don't get these number by passing the ball away quickly. And I'm not really hoping that he leaves, that's not my point. I just think that the old playstyle played to his strengths more, while the new playstyle suits the players that you mentioned more. I think that's why he hasn't progressed as much as the others with the new playstyle. Edited June 6, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 If he does go it is a shame that his best endeavours have come when the club was not at all likeable. He kept us up close to singlehandedly and at any other time would have been revered for this. He misses out on a lot of love because it was at the height of anti-Ashley malaise. He is a phenenomenal talent and I'd rather keep him. I should think if he does move, no small part will be down to him wanting to feature more regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Shearergol said: Incredibly harsh to judge him on his time at Man United. He's had a number of personal issues, but saying he hasn't got the dog in him to succeed is a huge assumption. We'd written a number of our own players off until Howe got hold of them. Sancho will go back to Germany and sort himself out again anyway. Maybe it is harsh. For all I doubt Antony’s talent. He has that tenacity in his game. Garnacho has it. Rashford has it when he’s in the groove. Saka has always had it. Even when attacking ASM has it. Sancho plays almost half hearted. There’s ability there. But not the application or the determinant imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Maybe it is harsh. For all I doubt Antony’s talent. He has that tenacity in his game. Garnacho has it. Rashford has it when he’s in the groove. Saka has always had it. Even when attacking ASM has it. Sancho plays almost half hearted. There’s ability there. But not the application or the determinant imo. Maybe a bit too much tenacity… https://twitter.com/deadlinedaylive/status/1666096773797138437?s=61&t=kJE1AU_9T9TvzyV_ebeY8Q Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Matt1892 said: The issue when teams sit deep will be rectified in other areas of the pitch, which appears to be on the right wing and through the middle from the positions we are looking at. I think Joelinton will start wide left and Willock on the left of midfield, the right is in for a makeover. I’m not sure i really understand your point. To get at teams that sit in rigid defensive shapes you need someone who is going to pull people out of position, particularly wide players. Starting Joe wide left won’t solve anything, and if our only attacking threat is right, then we are gonna be shut down pretty quickly. We can’t just give up one side of the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Shearergol said: Incredibly harsh to judge him on his time at Man United. He's had a number of personal issues, but saying he hasn't got the dog in him to succeed is a huge assumption. We'd written a number of our own players off until Howe got hold of them. Sancho will go back to Germany and sort himself out again anyway. He will likely put up big numbers there because of the paucity of defences in that league. The Bundesliga tax for attackers is very real. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sempiternal Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, The College Dropout said: Maybe it is harsh. For all I doubt Antony’s talent. He has that tenacity in his game. Garnacho has it. Rashford has it when he’s in the groove. Saka has always had it. Even when attacking ASM has it. Sancho plays almost half hearted. There’s ability there. But not the application or the determinant imo. The intangibles as they like to say in the NFL. Agree 100 percent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 https://www.instagram.com/p/CtMuoIByFlR/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== He’s at it again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, LV said: https://www.instagram.com/p/CtMuoIByFlR/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== He’s at it again No Insta! Who’s at what? Baldwards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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