Guest reefatoon Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Nowhere Man said: I’m sure we could scrape together £25M without selling a vital asset to the team. Well obviously we can’t. Where can you scrape this £25M from? Who is on the for sale list for you and who are the clubs willing to offer all this money for them? You can only do business with clubs that want to do business with you. It’s fantasy land thinking we can just bring in money on players nobody wants. Edited July 19, 2023 by reefatoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon88 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Agree. This is about increasing opportunities in future windows, not just a short term gain, in order to buy, Barnes. We aren’t near the FFP limit, this is just exploiting an opportunity to sell a fringe asset, who doesn’t want to be at the club, and who isn’t wanted by the manager. Best for all parties involved this outcome Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 13 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: How does this actually play out at PIF HQ? Is it like a game of Monopoly? Al-Rumayyan swapping between his NUFC and Al-Ahli blazers while emailing himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Someone made a great post a while back about how clubs are all working smarter these days, hence less British PFMs stinking up the league nowadays. Even Championship clubs are looking at some of our wasters like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveready Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 26 minutes ago, Toon88 said: Just want him sold now, and for us to move on. He’ll be forgotten rather quickly, as we have superior players now, who are more effective. People are just stuck in the Ashley/Bruce era. ASM clearly wanted to leave, the club and manager wanted him sold, and it helps us massively with FFP. Not sure what people need to discuss. It’s best for all parties involved. Not sure if I’ve missed something but where has the line that he ‘clearly’ wants to leave come from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: Surely you can understand why our aim isn't to hit the FFP limit though? Ofcourse, as I said before, it would be a dumb thing to do. But the situation isn't that we are capped for FFP and can't sign Barnes. If we thought he would be useful to us, it would be even better to sell him next year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Reasons to keep Maxi: IF he can stay fit for even 75% of the season, he's a different type of player to what we have, and on his day unplayable. A player you pay to see. On his day. IF in those games when he does play he actually performs to anywhere close to his ability. Reasons to sell Maxi: His "on" days are about 3-4 per season. He is injured far too regularly. He contributed next to nothing last season in our best season in 25 years, and we played very exciting football without him. He can be replaced by a player who scored more goals in one season for a relegated team, than Maxi has in his entire time here. He can be replaced by a player who has a good fitness record. He can be replaced by a player who is English, contributes to our homegrown quota, and at a good age with room to develop. He isn't the most popular figure in the dressing room, and is notoriously not easy to manage. And lastly, it gives us some extra wiggle room with FFP. Seems pretty simple to me. The only slight problem I have with it is the reported fee... it's about £5m-£10m too low. Other than that, makes perfect sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: He isn't the most popular figure in the dressing room, and is notoriously not easy to manage. Where's this from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 ASM debates make me unreasonably angry, going to have to keep away from this thread I think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/allan-saint-maximin-transfer-saudi-arabia-cash-newcastle-scrutiny-2488410 We want £40 million according to this. They'll probably meet in the middle at £30 million to £35 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/allan-saint-maximin-transfer-saudi-arabia-cash-newcastle-scrutiny-2488410 We want £40 million according to this. They'll probably meet in the middle at £30 million to £35 million. Al Rumayyan playing hardball on Al Rumayyan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 hours ago, St1pe said: If that fee is as low as reported - some saying £25m - then I don’t think it’s unfair to question whether PIF’s project with us is now lower in the pecking order than the Saudi league. Tell you what might complicate matters, if another club - say one from Italy - had put a bid in for £25m. Then you would have a price point to compare to, and it might be difficult for us to sell to a Saudi club for £50m. There was talk of interest from one of the italian clubs wasn't there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/allan-saint-maximin-transfer-saudi-arabia-cash-newcastle-scrutiny-2488410 We want £40 million according to this. They'll probably meet in the middle at £30 million to £35 million. That headline man, Premier league will be all over it the cheating fuckers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, joeyt said: Where's this from? His popularity... directly from two current players. And the "difficult to manage" stuff has been well documented throughout his entire time here (and before). He's regularly late for training etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 31 minutes ago, LV said: This transfer has really brought out the inner daftie hasn't it I agree. Also plenty dogmatic attitudes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I thought the likes of Miggy and Murphy would have been sold long before Maxi. But its time to move him on. Swapping Maxi for Barnes is possibly a sideways move in the short term but long term it makes sense. Also maybe a sign that the clurb wont fuck about selling popular players in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bally21 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 For me whatever happens with the Maxi situation, and whether or not Barnes is coming in, I am going to trust the people making the decisions and back those decisions. After all the people who are making the decisions know a lot more about the whys and wherefores than we ever will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, TRon said: Tell you what might complicate matters, if another club - say one from Italy - had put a bid in for £25m. Then you would have a price point to compare to, and it might be difficult for us to sell to a Saudi club for £50m. There was talk of interest from one of the italian clubs wasn't there? Why would that make it difficult to sell to another club for a higher fee? Is there any precedent for a league not allowing an outgoing transfer because the fee was higher than someone else’s lowball offer? I think people are confusing the fair market value rules for commercial deals with transfer revenue where there are no such rules. We’d better get >50m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, The Prophet said: We're allegedly selling him to improve our FFP capacity. Barnes always looked like a pre-emptive replacement. But if the reported €25m fee for ASM is true, abig chunk of that will go to fund Barnes at £35m+. We would have about ~£10m worth of book value left after signing Barnes, but probably less than that after factoring in wages for Barnes and the new player. It might allow us to sign other players for £40-50m at best, I don't think that's anywhere near enough for selling what has been one of our best players since he came here. Especially not when selling in this market, where players have gone for absolutely insane money to Saudi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: His popularity... directly from two current players. And the "difficult to manage" stuff has been well documented throughout his entire time here (and before). He's regularly late for training etc etc. Which two players don't like him? He always seems pretty popular to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Unbelievable said: Why would that make it difficult to sell to another club for a higher fee? Is there any precedent for a league not allowing an outgoing transfer because the fee was higher than someone else’s lowball offer? I think people are confusing the fair market value rules for commercial deals with transfer revenue where there are no such rules. We’d better get >50m I'm just throwing out reasons why £25m is even being mentioned as a fee. That's the sort of figure I would expect from a normal club outside of the Saudi Pro League. Then factor in we would expect to be under far more scrutiny than Liverpool or Chelsea on such deals because of who our owners are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveready Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, joeyt said: Which two players don't like him? He always seems pretty popular to me Bruno's definitely mentioned he was a good friend at the club. Pretty sure he said he invited him to his wedding too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 It will suit everyone to have a reasonable purchase fee and some easily obtainable add on fees like those for Chris Wood. I suggest an additional £5m every time the Saudi club finish top four. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, joeyt said: Which two players don't like him? He always seems pretty popular to me I'm obviously not going to tell you that, but all I will say is I've been lucky enough to be around some of the players a lot over the last couple of years. The ones I speak to are all generally lovely, the camaraderie is great. I'm not saying that they "don't like him" necessarily... it's that he is known to be quite rude to people, especially "less important" staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Nobody said: But if the reported €25m fee for ASM is true, abig chunk of that will go to fund Barnes at £35m+. We would have about ~£10m worth of book value left after signing Barnes, but probably less than that after factoring in wages for Barnes and the new player. It might allow us to sign other players for £40-50m at best, I don't think that's anywhere near enough for selling what has been one of our best players since he came here. Especially not when selling in this market, where players have gone for absolutely insane money to Saudi. FFP doesn’t work like that. ASM wouldn’t be funding Barnes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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