Toonjam88 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Jack27 said: Not sure about FFP but for cash flow it must be lovely Also very much doubt we have a cash flow issue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, St1pe said: I’m starting to sound like a broken record but given the state of transfer fees now €25m for ASM with his prime years ahead of him while he’s sat on a 3 year deal is all kinds of shit for us. He has one good season where some of his chances are converted and that fee is literally doubled. I know he’s got some haters but that isn’t a highly unlikely scenario either. We’re getting bumped here. To sign Harvey Barnes. Agree with this, bar the very last bit. I find it odd that people are so down on Barnes. I’m disappointed that ASM is leaving and for less than I think he’s worth. Whilst also excited by the prospect of signing Barnes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 €25m is a joke given the Neves and Fabinho fees. Payment terms mean fuck all unless it’s another €15m in bonuses and add ons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonsays Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Toonjam88 said: No it doesn’t I think the only time it makes a difference is for perfomance related bonuses which cant be counted until those requirements are met. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Not fussed Maxi's going He's worth what anyone is prepared to pay Barnes can score 10 goals a season. Basics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Toonjam88 said: Also very much doubt we have a cash flow issue Did 'Just Stop Oil' suddenly win and we missed it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingxlnc Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 I thought ASM could have an Almiron-esque season next year so I don’t like the news, especially not at 25m. I thought if anyone from the PL came in, it would be 40 and if it’s bloody Saudi, they would pay north if 50. The guy gets bums on seats, he’s a rare type of player that is exciting and worth the entry fee alone, so surprised it’s not translated into an inflated worth. Not as though he’s in his final year or he’s had a bad few years or anything. So it doesn’t make sense. If we sold for 25+ and it allowed us to get Barnes Chiesa Tierney, Livramento and Todibo it’s obviously a no brainer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Give it's now been reported multiple times we want more than €25 million and the club have stated this is to give us more capacity under FFP, I assume some folk just miss having a whinge at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, kingxlnc said: I thought ASM could have an Almiron-esque season next year so I don’t like the news, especially not at 25m. I thought if anyone from the PL came in, it would be 40 and if it’s bloody Saudi, they would pay north if 50. The guy gets bums on seats, he’s a rare type of player that is exciting and worth the entry fee alone, so surprised it’s not translated into an inflated worth. Not as though he’s in his final year or he’s had a bad few years or anything. So it doesn’t make sense. If we sold for 25+ and it allowed us to get Barnes Chiesa Tierney, Livramento and Todibo it’s obviously a no brainer. think you might need to limit those expectations big man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, kingxlnc said: I thought ASM could have an Almiron-esque season next year so I don’t like the news, especially not at 25m. I thought if anyone from the PL came in, it would be 40 and if it’s bloody Saudi, they would pay north if 50. The guy gets bums on seats, he’s a rare type of player that is exciting and worth the entry fee alone, so surprised it’s not translated into an inflated worth. Not as though he’s in his final year or he’s had a bad few years or anything. So it doesn’t make sense. If we sold for 25+ and it allowed us to get Barnes Chiesa Tierney, Livramento and Todibo it’s obviously a no brainer. It’s robbing us out of another £15m of profit. We paid £20m as a gamble for ASM and only cover our money back in a period where fees have significantly inflated. Don’t think so, it’s shit business sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Nucasol said: €25m is a joke given the Neves and Fabinho fees. Payment terms mean fuck all unless it’s another €15m in bonuses and add ons. Neves, 26yr old, 41 games for Portugal = £47m Fabinho, 29yr old, 29 games for Brazil = £40m Maxi, 26yr old, 0 games for France = £25m+ Seems fair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 5 hours ago, samptime29 said: I get ASM goals and assists should be higher but he's arguably one of the best players at creating space in the league. I really feel he has tried to adapt to what Howe wants and has made good progress in that regard. I love Howe and always trust his judgement but he worried he's making an avoidable mistake here. Not sure selling him can be regarded as potentially making a mistake. Making a mistake would be keeping ASM and not being able to buy any other players this transfer window which is certainly what Howe is implying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveready Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Not fussed Maxi's going He's worth what anyone is prepared to pay Barnes can score 10 goals a season. Basics Antony scored 8 for Man Utd last season and the general consensus is that he's been absolutely shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveready Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Eveready said: Antony scored 8 for Man Utd last season and the general consensus is that he's been absolutely shite. Also with far better defensive statistics than Barnes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 19 minutes ago, LV said: What does ‘payment terms are strong’ mean?? Add ons maybe?? If I had to guess larger payment upfront closer to the full amount? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppy Chop Chop Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Currently my favourite player to watch, but we have to trust Howe and his advisers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Eveready said: Antony scored 8 for Man Utd last season and the general consensus is that he's been absolutely shite. Aye but he was 80m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 minute ago, Eveready said: Antony scored 8 for Man Utd last season and the general consensus is that he's been absolutely shite. Antony has played 19 times for Brazil and cost £95m plus £5. Definitely shit for that money. Makes Harvey Barnes look a steal. Next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Away Toon said: Not sure selling him can be regarded as potentially making a mistake. Making a mistake would be keeping ASM and not being able to buy any other players this transfer window which is certainly what Howe is implying. Of course it could be a mistake. Also, could work out well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Boyo Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Give it's now been reported multiple times we want more than €25 million and the club have stated this is to give us more capacity under FFP, I assume some folk just miss having a whinge at this point. So why post the bait when you know people are gonna have a whinge? Seems a bit odd. They know we’re in a tight position. I’m sure we should get at least the £40m, tight bastards. Seems like everything else involved in the transfer has went positively, so hopefully this gets sorted over the next two days for our benefit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, Nucasol said: €25m is a joke given the Neves and Fabinho fees. Payment terms mean fuck all unless it’s another €15m in bonuses and add ons. Still don't see any way we would accept that figure tbh, don't know what the fuck is going on there. Got to be some sort of smokescreen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Eveready said: Antony scored 8 for Man Utd last season and the general consensus is that he's been absolutely shite. Antony scored 4 PL goals. Barnes scored 13. *unsure if Barnes can do that spinny thing mind Edited July 19, 2023 by SteV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Eveready said: Antony scored 8 for Man Utd last season and the general consensus is that he's been absolutely shite. In a Man Utd team that finished 3rd in the league, and with his transfer costing £82m- Yeah, an 8 goal return IS shite. For context, Barnes got 13 league goals last year for a relegated team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: Neves, 26yr old, 41 games for Portugal = £47m Fabinho, 29yr old, 29 games for Brazil = £40m Maxi, 26yr old, 0 games for France = £25m+ Seems fair Both Fabinho and Neves had run their contracts down, it would have probably cost them a fraction of the fee to buy their own contracts out under Article 17. Nowhere near accurate value, regardless of caps. Suddenly the Saudis decide to get business savvy with ASM who has 3 years on his contract? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Geordie Boyo said: So why post the bait when you know people are gonna have a whinge? Seems a bit odd. They know we’re in a tight position. I’m sure we should get at least the £40m, tight bastards. Seems like everything else involved in the transfer has went positively, so hopefully this gets sorted over the next two days for our benefit. Because lines like "if we accept €25 million..." and "we're selling ASM so we can fund Barnes" are being constantly repeated, when neither are true. I agree €25 million would be a below-par price, but multiple sources have written we want a larger amount. Similarly we might simply want to peddle ASM, but it seems whatever our motivations behind the sale it isn't for the sole reason of buying Barnes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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