Pata Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, NobbySolano said: His other 3 seasons: 121 (first season), 96, 57. Not to mention, dribbling without end product is just frustrating and not exciting. What’s your point, you want to use per 90 for those seasons? Second sentence is just legit wtf. You should watch basketball or some other high scoring sport if your enjoyment is tied so closely to the end product, maybe you wouldn’t be so miserable then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 There’s an incredible amount of mental gymnastics in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobbySolano Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 I'm not miserable at all. I quite enjoy the game, a nil nil draw as much as a goal fest. Dribbling alone is not exciting by itself. It's exciting because it leads to something. A great pass, a chance on goal. Even the occasional defender on their ass. For my team, I care about winning. Preferably playing attractive progressive football. So yes, I need end product. I'll be just as entertained by ASM watching on the telly for another team, but I'd rather watch my team win. You can use per 90 if you want , it just reflects how little he is available. Only played more than 20 full 90s in 1 season. He'd be great off the bench as a squad player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, NobbySolano said: We'll disagree. 5 assists 1 goal is hardly a contribution to "deserve" a spot in the UCL squad. Exciting to watch is subjective. First free steps are exciting, until you see the key of the product with the ball in the stands or a turnover for a fast break. Could he turn on some magic? Sure. Reliably? Nah. Teams not going for him at what posters here say he should be going for is a valid point. If he was worth that then surely someone would pay it. I don't care what Barnes goes for. We'll pay what we think he is worth. SA is over paying for all players, which is why nobody else is really going for them. You are making my point. His per 90 assists are the best around. At least move on to the 'but he doesn't play enough' point. Aye it is subjective and loads of people think he's exciting, they're not wrong. Okay so no one else is in for him, which is a valid point and indicates that he can't be that good, but no one else being in for Barnes doesn't matter. I doubt I need to explain why the stance should be one or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, GideonShandy said: How does the "player wages" factor help? ASM is supposedly on 40,000 quid per week (2million a year) https://www.spotrac.com/epl/newcastle-united-fc/allan-saint-maximin-32735/#:~:text=Current Contract,cap hit of £2%2C000%2C000. I imagine we'll be paying Barnes considerably more than that. Thought it was fairly common knowledge he was on low wages compared to the rest of squad. Another reason why I thought we could accommodate him for 12 more months ??♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 https://www.whoscored.com/Players/331382/Fixtures/Harvey-Barnes https://www.whoscored.com/Players/135891/Fixtures/Allan-Saint-Maximin If Barnes even gives us half of what he did for Leicester last season, he'd be worth the selling of ASM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 The Barnes thing. We’ll need to see him play 20 games. And everyone will understand the points some are trying to raise about all-round game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, Aiston said: https://www.whoscored.com/Players/331382/Fixtures/Harvey-Barnes https://www.whoscored.com/Players/135891/Fixtures/Allan-Saint-Maximin If Barnes even gives us half of what he did for Leicester last season, he'd be worth the selling of ASM. ASM had two MotM’s compared to Barnes’ 0 and a higher average rating (6.80 to 6.66). At least all those goals meant Leicester had a decent season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobbySolano Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: His per 90 assists are the best around. At least move on to the 'but he doesn't play enough' point. Aye it is subjective and loads of people think he's exciting, they're not wrong. Okay so no one else is in for him, which is a valid point and indicates that he can't be that good, but no one else being in for Barnes doesn't matter. I doubt I need to explain why the stance should be one or the other. It's not that hard to understand. Whatever a player goes for is it's actual market value. There is only one group claiming to know better and saying ASM is undervalued. Yet nobody is bidding for him, and if/when they do then he'll go for his real market value. I personally think he should go for more, but the histrionics are over the top. You are right, fun is subjective. To a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Why are you so weird ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said: Why are you so weird ? He is right though. "Whatever a player goes for is it's actual market value." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 It's a strange one as I'm happy if he stays, happy if he goes. Can see balanced reasoning either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Displayname Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 No way that the fee is £30m or below. He has a £32m value on transfermarkt, Saudi could easily pay 40-50 without people raising an eyebrow. People who follow other teams dont remember his injury record or that he sometimes can be frustrating to watch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 If its Barnes that we see as his replacment then thats quite the downgrade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 No problem with this. Getting a more effective winger and having the money and the chance to loan ASM back (according to Howe) is decent business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 30m is shit given we'll be spending that on Barnes,but we if can loan him back that's class.does the Saudi league run the same time as the pren? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, astraguy said: 30m is shit given we'll be spending that on Barnes,but we if can loan him back that's class.does the Saudi league run the same time as the pren? It is shit, we should be getting much more but let’s wait for the official announcement. We won’t be loaning him back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Newcastle Fan said: If its Barnes that we see as his replacment then thats quite the downgrade In what sense ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 55 minutes ago, r0cafella said: It is shit, we should be getting much more but let’s wait for the official announcement. We won’t be loaning him back. Howe said it was a possibility Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Thomson Mouse said: Howe said it was a possibility Did he? I can’t find any quotes for this. Have you got a link? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Just now, Thomson Mouse said: Howe said it was a possibility He did? I think he was referring to the deal falling through no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 Seems a pity but I'm sure we were always warned about casualties when it comes to selling popular players to help fund the project due to ffp limitations. I'm sure of we could sell darlow/Lewis/hendrick/Fraser for this supposed 30m we would be all over it, fact of the matter is we have a toybox full of shit broken toys that nobody else wants to buy off us. Pretty gutted, but understanding (hope we do use it to good effect at least) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, r0cafella said: He did? I think he was referring to the deal falling through no? Yeah you're right when I've read it again Edited July 19, 2023 by Thomson Mouse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 As others have said it is likely that we will be downflating the media reporting of the fee as it will clearly be a controversial sale in the eyes of the rest of the league, so bare that in mind when whinging about the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 (edited) Find it telling that Maxi’s going to Saudi at 26. If he was genuinely viewed as hot property, at his age a decent side in a decent league would have been in for him. It’s been clear he’s not part of Howe’s mid term plans so if clubs fancied him they would have acted. Especially for £30m. Edited July 19, 2023 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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