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Factually in 90 minutes of football, ASM is going to create more chances, make more progressive passes and shot creating actions than Barnes.  All ‘frustrations’ aside, he’s a more creative and involved footballer. 
 

The aim is for Barnes to get to his spots and finish chances.  Make great runs etc. but he’s not going to get on the ball and create. That’s not his game.  He’s not cute of pass, he’s not going to beat a man, he’s not got excellent delivery. 

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7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Factually in 90 minutes of football, ASM is going to create more chances, make more progressive passes and shot creating actions than Barnes.  All ‘frustrations’ aside, he’s a more creative and involved footballer. 
 

The aim is for Barnes to get to his spots and finish chances.  Make great runs etc. but he’s not going to get on the ball and create. That’s not his game.  He’s not cute of pass, he’s not going to beat a man, he’s not got excellent delivery. 

"Factually" in 90 minutes Maxi spent more time on his arse than his feet. 

 

Barnes has been brought in to replicate the 1-2, pass and move of the right hand side AND score double figures. 

 

He will. 

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11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Factually in 90 minutes of football, ASM is going to create more chances, make more progressive passes and shot creating actions than Barnes.  All ‘frustrations’ aside, he’s a more creative and involved footballer. 
 

The aim is for Barnes to get to his spots and finish chances.  Make great runs etc. but he’s not going to get on the ball and create. That’s not his game.  He’s not cute of pass, he’s not going to beat a man, he’s not got excellent delivery

Is this actually true though? Or, more specifically, he may have a very good final ball. His assist tallies have varied but overall numbers are strong across his PL career to date. Last season seems to have been an outlier in the assist stakes after a career high 21/22 (I don't believe he was on set pieces but may be wrong).

 

xA per 90 numbers vary for different sources but it looks like Barnes matched Maxi's 22/23 last season.

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I know I've posted a couple of less than positive comments about Maxi but that's not to say I didn't enjoy his "flair" 

For me, apart from the odd goal which any wide forward should be capable of, the moment that epitomises him was v Leicester (iirc) 

Picked the ball up, just in their half, and drove forward. Miggy was ahead of him and went across into the same channel. Maxi passed to an empty space. 

Clear example of his superb progression with ball, his teammate not having a clue wtf he was going to do with it and, ultimately, fucked up end product.

Oh, and straight after, tho his frustrations were understandable, he had a hissy fit as if he was surrounded by mere mortals. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

xA per 90 numbers vary for different sources but it looks like Barnes matched Maxi's 22/23 last season.


Which source has them close to equal? Understat has ASM at 0.39 and Barnes at 0.10 xA per 90 for 22/23.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Pata said:


Which source has them close to equal? Understat has ASM at 0.39 and Barnes at 0.10 xA per 90.

Whoops, meant Barnes' 21/22 season matched Maxi's 22/23 for it.

 

This is another place xA gets tricky though. Understat says one thing, Footystats (who use TheSport) says another for seasonal breakdowns. SofaScore don't use xA past last season, from memory etc.

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3 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Whoops, meant Barnes' 21/22 season matched Maxi's 22/23 for it.

 

This is another place xA gets tricky though. Understat says one thing, Footystats (who use TheSport) says another for seasonal breakdowns. SofaScore don't use xA past last season, from memory etc.


Understat has Barnes at 0.19 for 21/22, which is his highest number at Leicester.
 

I know Understat’s xG model is nowhere near the best but it’s such a nice site with tons of data available for free.

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1 minute ago, prefabtoon said:

The reality is non of the top clubs in the premier league or abroad.

Have shown the slightest bit of interest in bidding for max.

That says it all really.


Napoli were apparently interested.

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2 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Barnes is never going to have a game like Maxi against Walker, or like when he single handedly ran the entire Everton team ragged, but you would imagine our chance creation as a group will improve when Howe has players better suited to what we're trying to do. Tonali helps that massively as well, as will Gordon.

This is true but you'll never get stories like this from ASM - Barnes looks to continue run against villa.   Each player has their own ups and downs and it's a shame we can't keep them both but it is what it is.  As i've said loads of times in last few days, this is the first time we've had to make a 'sacrifice' under new owners has so far it's been taking new players and it was always gonna happen one day.  To Quote George Michael "You've showed me you can take you've got some giving to do"

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1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

Factually in 90 minutes of football, ASM is going to create more chances, make more progressive passes and shot creating actions than Barnes.  All ‘frustrations’ aside, he’s a more creative and involved footballer. 
 

The aim is for Barnes to get to his spots and finish chances.  Make great runs etc. but he’s not going to get on the ball and create. That’s not his game.  He’s not cute of pass, he’s not going to beat a man, he’s not got excellent delivery. 

 

And what use is that if he can only produce this magical 90 minutes two or three times a season due to fitness levels?

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If this goes through, there'll be times next season where we'll wish we had Maxi on the bench late on against teams we can't break down. It'll be shit. Hopefully those moments will become less and less though. 

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Weezertron said:

If this goes through, there'll be times next season where we'll wish we had Maxi on the bench late on against teams we can't break down. It'll be shit. Hopefully those moments will become less and less though. 

 

 

 

 

 

Has this ever actually worked?

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1 minute ago, pedro111 said:

How good is the Saudi league going to get like? Must be hard to admit that your careers basically over before you've done anything really. 


Half these guys will play a year or two down there, realize life is better in Europe, and transfer back. But they’ll have made a nice wedge in the meantime.

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Some of the younger ones going across could arguably make a lifetimes worth of money in a couple of seasons and then once the bubble has burst make their way back to a very good standard of European football.

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ASM v Barnes debate is so fucking tedious at this point. Yes, ASM is a more talented footballer than Barnes. Barnes is far more suited to the football that we play, and will elevate the entire team.

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