cannybagoftudor Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Who gives a flying fuck - Froggy supports his team as we do - its the eponymous 2 bald guys fighting over a comb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 A club the size of Man Utd getting rid of a £75m striker, one of the top 4-5 in the league, on a whim to keep a kid happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Rashford isn't a striker Very clear now. That's where he wished to play and he got his wish. He'll be back on the left once Martial is fit. How do you rate Rashford generally? Don't know what to think of him personally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I am too far gone. I watched on in despair. Gutted that we beat Man u ffs. What makes the whole thing worse is the Longstaff brothers. I was a big fan of their dad back in the day for the Whitley Warriors. They are from where I'm from, this should be like a dream come true but it is all totally ruined for me. Grim. Proper s*** like innit, i tried to at least enjoy Sunday night with the win, i couldn't. f*** off Ashley. As much as I hate everything with the club anybody who didn't feel anything when he scored the winner is just wrong. I hate Ashley and don't care what we do largely but him scoring the winner against Man Utd on his debut at 19 is something. Its bloody frustrating for me as I was done but I do want to see both of them do well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 A club the size of Man Utd getting rid of a £75m striker, one of the top 4-5 in the league, on a whim to keep a kid happy. We got rid of Lukaku because he didn't want to be there and was becoming a disruption. Then instead of signing someone on a free like Llorente we had faith in Martial and Rashford, which has turned out to be the wrong decision. How do you rate Rashford generally? Don't know what to think of him personally He hasn't quite kicked on as well as I expected him to. Still a good player who is being completely starved of service of the minute and running himself into the ground. Important to remember that he's still only 21. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Did Lukaku not wanting to be there have something to do with him being left out last season though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 A club the size of Man Utd getting rid of a £75m striker, one of the top 4-5 in the league, on a whim to keep a kid happy. That’s a fairly ridiculous way to put it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 A club the size of Man Utd getting rid of a £75m striker, one of the top 4-5 in the league, on a whim to keep a kid happy. That’s a fairly ridiculous way to put it. Well he was left out of the side while they bent over backwards to keep a kid happy who's done nowhere near what Lukaku has achieved. Only now they're discovering he's not a centre-forward and it's cost them big time. You wouldn't expect a club of the magnitude of Man United to do that. They'd have signed another striker to replace Lukaku if that wasn't their thinking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I am too far gone. I watched on in despair. Gutted that we beat Man u ffs. What makes the whole thing worse is the Longstaff brothers. I was a big fan of their dad back in the day for the Whitley Warriors. They are from where I'm from, this should be like a dream come true but it is all totally ruined for me. Grim. Proper s*** like innit, i tried to at least enjoy Sunday night with the win, i couldn't. f*** off Ashley. As much as I hate everything with the club anybody who didn't feel anything when he scored the winner is just wrong. I hate Ashley and don't care what we do largely but him scoring the winner against Man Utd on his debut at 19 is something. Its bloody frustrating for me as I was done but I do want to see both of them do well. "Just wrong" It's Ashley that is wrong mate, do you think me and thousands of other NUFC fans WANT to not care? It f***ing hurts me that i didn't feel anything, but that is how bad Ashley has made it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 A couple of points about Rashford... I rate him a lot and think he has the potential to be a top top player, but right now he’s at a point in his career where he needs a lot of help if he’s to reach that standard, and that’s more because I don’t think he has enough natural talent the likes of Rooney possessed in abundance to perform to another level or more on his own esteem or the single mindedness in terms of his mentality to push himself to a higher level. He is no Wellbeck or Walcott though, talented players who had lots of potential, but never quite enough to ever be at more than the level they reached. Rashford is different, he’s of a new generation of young English talent coming through a system that will produce a lot of Rashford’s who on the flip side are more rounded as players capable of playing a number of roles not wedded to one position as an a typical player to suit a particular formation or system. The downside to that is, because he’s not a World Beater like a Rooney was, he’s someone who right now, needs to develop his own game to one particular role or position or develop his entire game to another level where he can perform at the very highest level as a player who can play as a forward through the middle centrally or alongside someone left or right with equal quality. Right now, he’s kind of lost, he is a forward and plays forward, but he’s not a wide forward or a centre-forward or anything. He can score goals, make runs, get into positions and has pace, strength and good skills on the ball enough to do a decent job and he will because he’s a good player. But without help and guidance first he won’t become a top top player. What he needs is a Rafa who can look at his game and identify what it is he has to work on and whether or not he can develop his entire game enough to perform up front left or right, centrally or on his own or in a two or whether he needs to fix down hard on becoming one or the other type of striker and only that. Rafa helped Torres’ game so much he went from being someone who played up front as a striker, but wasn’t playing as one at the level of standard others were. He could score goals and perform well, but without Rafa’s guidance and help he would never have developed into what was for me at that time at Liverpool was arguably the most complete forward and striker in the world. He obviously had the right mentality to want to be the best or the best he could be, but he also had Raf and was at the right environment surrounded by leaders and a dressing room of players who demanded certain standards. Rashford has but just the talent right now. He’s managed by a meak character inexperienced and inept in OGS in a culture where standards are measured in social media followers, likes and an Instagram and fashion clothing label dressing room full of wannabe celebrities and socialites and not elite athletes, footballers, champions and sportsmen. The likes of Gary Neville playing now for this Man Utd team would be another Ashley Young, he too was helped by having players like Roy Keane around him who epitomised the culture Fergie created at that club, high standards, football first every time all the time, winning, being the best. Rashford in that team would be another Cole or van Nistelroy, not in terms of scoring numbers even, but in terms of performing to the highest level against league and European teams week in week out at a level above most. He’s at a point now where he needs to move. He’s 21, all the training, gym work and practice sessions in the world won’t teach him how to be a top striker or forward, eventually your own natural instinct that you’ve gotten so far on and by to make it this far will succumb to needing that perfect cross, that slip by a defender, that snap shot strike or the rub of the green taking over and your source to perform, or not. He’s better than that IMO. Just look at Sterling under Pep, Salah under Klopp, Shearer under Sir Bobby compared to Gullit. There are other issues of course, fitness, poor service, burnt out, pressure and expectations. The best find their way out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Don’t think Rooney was ever a world beater. He just had Fergie who enabled him to have a few good seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Yeah, it's not clear where Rashford's strengths really lie. At the very, very top level, I feel that a manager is either going to opt for someone who is more clearly a number 9, or a player who is better out wide or in a withdrawn role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Don’t think Rooney was ever a world beater. He just had Fergie who enabled him to have a few good seasons. Wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Young Rooney was an explosive ball of raw talent. The only debate is really whether it could have been allowed to burn as brightly as possible or whether Ferguson was right to mold him into a (still brilliant) intelligent team player who ended up as a kind of second fiddle to Ronaldo. He had the talent to deserve it, but a team was never built around Rooney. Man U were super successful during the Rooney years, so Ferguson was probably right. Football is a results business etc. etc. The flip side is that strikers with that mix of power, skill, and pace are exceptional, we are talking Mbappe or Brazilian Ronaldo level, so purist fans will want to see them go out and destroy teams single handed. Man U destroyed many teams with Rooney, but it was often with Rooney playing David Silva-type thoughballs, not bursting through like Mbappe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Rooney was good but not great imo. Bit like Beckham, the media make them out to be better than they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Rooney was good but not great imo. Bit like Beckham, the media make them out to be better than they are. It's actually incredible that you can be the record scorer for your club and country and people will still underrate you. Rooney was great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Especially when the alternatives are Martial who rarely plays up front and Greenwood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Rooney at his peak was definitely great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Rooney was good but not great imo. Bit like Beckham, the media make them out to be better than they are. It's actually incredible that you can be the record scorer for your club and country and people will still underrate you. Rooney was great. It depends how you define great. Messi and Ronaldo are great, Brazil Ronaldo and Zidane were great, Rooney isn't in that category. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Rooney was good but not great imo. Bit like Beckham, the media make them out to be better than they are. It's actually incredible that you can be the record scorer for your club and country and people will still underrate you. Rooney was great. It depends how you define great. Messi and Ronaldo are great, Brazil Ronaldo and Zidane were great, Rooney isn't in that category. They're the four greatest players of all time though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I just feel he falls under the ‘icon’ rather than ‘legend’ category, so he sits alongside the likes of Cantona and Schmeichel, and below Giggs, Scholes, Neville. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Rooney was good but not great imo. Bit like Beckham, the media make them out to be better than they are. It's actually incredible that you can be the record scorer for your club and country and people will still underrate you. Rooney was great. It depends how you define great. Messi and Ronaldo are great, Brazil Ronaldo and Zidane were great, Rooney isn't in that category. They're the four greatest players of all time though. No they aren't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Below Neville. I was with you until that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 Neville ahead of Schmeichel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 9, 2019 Share Posted October 9, 2019 I was joking about Neville you guys take me too seriously Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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