Guest godzilla Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 This waiting for a WTO report must be a load of bollocks. I mean what if it was delayed a few months? The report is complete. So nothing to delay it. Still due on the 14th (I think). Unless it's appealed against by either or both sides Yes but it can’t be appealed until it’s unveiled... surely? Which is what I (thought I) was answering. No that's not the case both sides will have the report and be able to appeal before the report is published. The report will not be published if there is an appeal as it will then not become a legal or sanctioned report If that’s the case my apologies Makes no sense (to me) as WTO I would think would claim they have wrote an independent report. Release it. Open for discussion and therefore any appeal although the fact it’s not a legal finding kind of makes the who appeal idea seem a waste of time other than personal pride. I presume because parts of (or maybe even the whole report) could change as a result of those appeals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Not really it's there in black and white and was confirmed by a twitter thread from an ex WTO Officer of 15 years, and which has been already mentioned a few times in this thread Word of warning, it was on Twitter. You have no idea who that was and how valid their points were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Not really it's there in black and white and was confirmed by a twitter thread from an ex WTO Officer of 15 years, and which has been already mentioned a few times in this thread Word of warning, it was on Twitter. You have no idea who that was and how valid their points were. Read the document a couple of posts up which confirms this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 This waiting for a WTO report must be a load of bollocks. I mean what if it was delayed a few months? The report is complete. So nothing to delay it. Still due on the 14th (I think). Unless it's appealed against by either or both sides Yes but it can’t be appealed until it’s unveiled... surely? Which is what I (thought I) was answering. Correct. Incorrect https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/disp1_e.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 So if they thought it was a risk why haven't they already appealed? My head hurts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 This waiting for a WTO report must be a load of bollocks. I mean what if it was delayed a few months? The report is complete. So nothing to delay it. Still due on the 14th (I think). Unless it's appealed against by either or both sides Yes but it can’t be appealed until it’s unveiled... surely? Which is what I (thought I) was answering. Correct. Incorrect https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/disp1_e.htm So is it possible this report will not apportion blame, but make recommendations for a resolution ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 So if they thought it was a risk why haven't they already appealed? My head hurts Nothing to say they have not, it could be (don't know here mind so just a guess) that they won't release any official notification until the report publication due date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 So if they thought it was a risk why haven't they already appealed? My head hurts Because the WTO Court of Arbitration isn’t quorate therefore there’s no one to hear an appeal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 This waiting for a WTO report must be a load of bollocks. I mean what if it was delayed a few months? The report is complete. So nothing to delay it. Still due on the 14th (I think). Unless it's appealed against by either or both sides Yes but it can’t be appealed until it’s unveiled... surely? Which is what I (thought I) was answering. Correct. Incorrect https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/disp1_e.htm Correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 So if they thought it was a risk why haven't they already appealed? My head hurts Because the WTO Court of Arbitration isn’t quorate therefore there’s no one to hear an appeal. That doesn't mean they cant lodge one though surely..... does it? Just because the machinery isnt there shouldn't prevent a lawful appeal, it just can't be heard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Which would be a way of burying the report and therefore negating the appeal . So why haven't they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Which would be a way of burying the report and therefore negating the appeal . So why haven't they? Wait to see if the report is published first I would suggest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 So if they thought it was a risk why haven't they already appealed? My head hurts Because the WTO Court of Arbitration isn’t quorate therefore there’s no one to hear an appeal. That doesn't mean they cant lodge one though surely..... does it? Just because the machinery isnt there shouldn't prevent a lawful appeal, it just can't be heard But how long will it go on for? That would be grossly unfair on the plaintiff and the appellant, don’t you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 This waiting for a WTO report must be a load of bollocks. I mean what if it was delayed a few months? The report is complete. So nothing to delay it. Still due on the 14th (I think). Unless it's appealed against by either or both sides Yes but it can’t be appealed until it’s unveiled... surely? Which is what I (thought I) was answering. Correct. Incorrect https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/disp1_e.htm So is it possible this report will not apportion blame, but make recommendations for a resolution ? Just by browsing through random reports, they are pretty direct in their statements. For reference, this one concerns the Qatar blockade in general trade terms and it's (understandably) pretty damning on KSA: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds528_e.htm (The link under latest document) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 This waiting for a WTO report must be a load of bollocks. I mean what if it was delayed a few months? The report is complete. So nothing to delay it. Still due on the 14th (I think). Unless it's appealed against by either or both sides Yes but it can’t be appealed until it’s unveiled... surely? Which is what I (thought I) was answering. Correct. Incorrect https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/disp1_e.htm So is it possible this report will not apportion blame, but make recommendations for a resolution ? Just by browsing through random reports, they are pretty direct in their statements. For reference, this one concerns the Qatar blockade in general trade terms and it's (understandably) pretty damning on KSA: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds528_e.htm (The link under latest documents) It still all comes back to whether PIF is a separate legal entity. It’s worth reading through that Football Law Report which seems to indicate the KSA/PIF is a separate entity. https://www.footballlaw.co.uk/articles/newcastle-united-fc-takeover-and-the-premier-leagues-owners-and-directors-test Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 FWIW, there's a possibility any appeals have already passed and what is rumoured to come out next week will be indeed the "final verdict". That would explain the reports after all. The summary on the page of the dispute doesn't list any appeal procedures on the timeline but maybe it's simply not up to date: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds567_e.htm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 FWIW, there's a possibility any appeals have already passed and what is rumoured to come out next week will be indeed the "final verdict". That would explain the reports after all. The summary on the page of the dispute doesn't list any appeal procedures on the timeline but maybe it's simply not up to date: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds567_e.htm Who passed the appeal or gave a verdict, the WTO Court of Arbitration isn’t functioning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 FWIW, there's a possibility any appeals have already passed and what is rumoured to come out next week will be indeed the "final verdict". That would explain the reports after all. The summary on the page of the dispute doesn't list any appeal procedures on the timeline but maybe it's simply not up to date: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds567_e.htm Agreed, we will just have to wait and see what happens next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 So will we only find out if there is any appeal if it idnt published? They wouldn't just say there is an appeal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest godzilla Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 So will we only find out if there is any appeal if it idnt published? They wouldn't just say there is an appeal? Pass, would think they would release something if they were not releasing the report and the reasons why. Even just a brief statement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 FWIW, there's a possibility any appeals have already passed and what is rumoured to come out next week will be indeed the "final verdict". That would explain the reports after all. The summary on the page of the dispute doesn't list any appeal procedures on the timeline but maybe it's simply not up to date: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds567_e.htm Who passed the appeal or gave a verdict, the WTO Court of Arbitration isn’t functioning. We have to check What was the source of that claim again? This is the relevant text from https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/disp1_e.htm "Each appeal is heard by three members of a permanent seven-member Appellate Body set up by the Dispute Settlement Body and broadly representing the range of WTO membership. Members of the Appellate Body have four-year terms. They have to be individuals with recognized standing in the field of law and international trade, not affiliated with any government." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 FWIW, there's a possibility any appeals have already passed and what is rumoured to come out next week will be indeed the "final verdict". That would explain the reports after all. The summary on the page of the dispute doesn't list any appeal procedures on the timeline but maybe it's simply not up to date: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds567_e.htm Who passed the appeal or gave a verdict, the WTO Court of Arbitration isn’t functioning. We have to check What was the source of that claim again? This is the relevant text from https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/whatis_e/tif_e/disp1_e.htm "Each appeal is heard by three members of a permanent seven-member Appellate Body set up by the Dispute Settlement Body and broadly representing the range of WTO membership. Members of the Appellate Body have four-year terms. They have to be individuals with recognized standing in the field of law and international trade, not affiliated with any government." https://business.financialpost.com/opinion/in-one-month-the-wto-court-of-appeal-goes-lights-out-well-be-in-uncharted-global-trade-waters https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10385 https://www.theregreview.org/2019/10/14/caporal-global-trade-organization-dispute-settlement-system/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
junkhead Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Actually (almost) everything I posted seems to be wrong - The full WTO report WILL be released to the public, 30 days after the two sides receive it, regardless if there are appeals or not :'( This random case is currently locked in the Appeal status-quo described above, but the full report has been released: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds523_e.htm And simply judging by the Appeal Body's staffing numbers, I doubt the appeal procedure can overturn or produce drastically different findings to the original reports, even if it was working.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 Actually (almost) everything I posted seems to be wrong - The full WTO report WILL be released to the public, 30 days after the two sides receive it, regardless if there are appeals or not :'( This random case is currently locked in the Appeal status-quo described above, but the full report has been released: https://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/cases_e/ds523_e.htm And simply judging by the Appeal Body's staffing numbers, I doubt the appeal procedure can overturn or produce drastically different findings to the original reports.. If an appeal body can’t overturn a report what’s the fucking point of having an appeal body? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 I know the intention is positive for the club and of course the league would find an excuse to block it for money reasons (and then no doubt flaunt their ethics), but you all know KSA are guilty as all hell of this don't you? I do appreciate it's all some proxy war with Qatar who are not good guys, but you know KSA is blatently behind Beout... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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