Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 I don’t always agree with Southgate in relation to selections and tactics, but I do think he comes across really well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Southgate does come across well. I could picture him storming the interview process for a middle management job in the civil service. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmintheChaos Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Good god man Southgate prattling on about slabhead and Henderson ffs, 2 bang average players. If they aren’t fit don’t take them, they aren’t anything special anyhow and I wouldn’t start either if they were both fully fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, CalmintheChaos said: Good god man Southgate prattling on about slabhead and Henderson ffs, 2 bang average players. If they aren’t fit don’t take them, they aren’t anything special anyhow and I wouldn’t start either if they were both fully fit. Don't know where you get the impression that Henderson is a bang average player, speak to any Liverpool fan and they say Henderson was one of the major reasons as to why they where so dominant in the Champions League and the Premier League for the last few years, and why him being injured fucked them over this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 I don't remember when Man U got knocked out of the CL last season, but the only reason they made it to the EL final this year was because of their failure at the Champions League. Unless you win the bloody thing, I'd say it's better to get knocked out of the quarters in the CL rather than make the final of the Europa League, especially if you were in the Champions League to begin with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 This is what Norway needs to realize. Just fucking give Haaland the ball and he'll score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Nobody said: I don't remember when Man U got knocked out of the CL last season, but the only reason they made it to the EL final this year was because of their failure at the Champions League. Unless you win the bloody thing, I'd say it's better to get knocked out of the quarters in the CL rather than make the final of the Europa League, especially if you were in the Champions League to begin with. They weren’t in it. Finished 6th the year before. On 01/06/2021 at 18:01, Froggy said: 8th (no trophies) > 4th (no trophies) > 4th (no trophies) > 2nd (won the CL) > 1st. I can remember Klopp getting a bit of stick that third season from a lot of people, but his direction was clear and the progress was obvious. He has also had the backing of the club and spent over half a billion quid. Great manager though. Still gutted he went to Liverpool. Klopp is a world class manager with a great CV which afforded him the time. OGS isn’t. Also worth pointing out the bit in bold - as you say, it was clear what Klopp was trying to implement. OGS doesn’t have a clear direction and the progress is far from clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said: They weren’t in it. Finished 6th the year before. Klopp is a world class manager with a great CV which afforded him the time. OGS isn’t. Also worth pointing out the bit in bold - as you say, it was clear what Klopp was trying to implement. OGS doesn’t have a clear direction and the progress is far from clear. Do you like Pep Guardiola? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Kaizero said: Do you like Pep Guardiola? Yeah. I’m going to assume you’re not going to try and compare Guardiola with OGS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Yeah. I’m going to assume you’re not going to try and compare Guardiola with OGS. Of course I am, OGS had a ton more merits to take the Man Utd job than Guardiola had when he got the Barcelona job. Klopp got the Dortmund gig with a recent relegation to his name as well, and his highest honor at Mainz being 11th in the Bundesliga twice. Edited June 2, 2021 by Kaizero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Booing of the taking of the knee, at Boro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Fucking morons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Embarrassing cunts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kaizero said: Of course I am, OGS had a ton more merits to take the Man Utd job than Guardiola had when he got the Barcelona job. Guardiola won a treble in his first season in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Fantail Breeze said: Guardiola won a treble in his first season in charge. He's referring about him being given the job in the first place, which I'm not sure I entirely agree with as Pep was always seen as a Curyff protege and he implemented a clear style of play with the B team I know Ole had the reserves job at Man-U (not sure how well he did) but the Cardiff stint was not great, Man-U should really have aimed higher at the time he got the job However it's quite clear Man-U have made progress, the squad looks a bit more stable if a little thin (in comparison to City). I think if Man-U can sign 2-3 top players then they will challenge for the title (they would just have to sacrifice the league cup probably) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Kaizero said: You're saying a better manager than one straight from managing their youth team couldn't have won the treble with that Barcelona side then? Michael Laudrup was the first choice, he had a lot more on his resume so surely he'd be the better option for them at the time if they wanted to win. Must be desperate to support OGS if we’re getting to the point of trying to guess what might happen in totally hypothetical situations with other clubs. I wouldn’t have appointed Guardiola personally, no. But they did and he provided a sensational first season and has gone on to be one of (if not the) greatest managers in the world. OGS has had 2.5 seasons and has won nothing apart from qualifying for the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said: Must be desperate to support OGS if we’re getting to the point of trying to guess what might happen in totally hypothetical situations with other clubs. I wouldn’t have appointed Guardiola personally, no. But they did and he provided a sensational first season and has gone on to be one of (if not the) greatest managers in the world. OGS has had 2.5 seasons and has won nothing apart from qualifying for the CL. Ultimately Man-U want to win the league and arguably they are closer now than they have ever been since Fergie left, that is progress Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Ultimately Man-U want to win the league and arguably they are closer now than they have ever been since Fergie left, that is progress Man U will struggle to finish top 3 next season with OGS as manager. A better manager and they'd have a real chance of the title. That's my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Fantail Breeze said: Must be desperate to support OGS if we’re getting to the point of trying to guess what might happen in totally hypothetical situations with other clubs. I wouldn’t have appointed Guardiola personally, no. But they did and he provided a sensational first season and has gone on to be one of (if not the) greatest managers in the world. OGS has had 2.5 seasons and has won nothing apart from qualifying for the CL. That's not the merits Man Utds leadership or their fans are measuring him towards, though. You're essentially acting like the pundits talking about Rafa playing defensive shit football and NUFC fans disliking that and we should want a more attacking manager because we're Newcastle. When you're a Newcastle fan that opinion makes no sense. It's fairly obvious the main consideration that led to the OGS appointment was that they wanted a return to a style closer to the Sir Alex years and they got that, they got multiple broken positive records and a manager with a better league record than any manager they've had since Sir Alex. It's not hard to understand why Man Utd fans are pleased with feeling like "their" club is back. Now, that honeymoon period of restoration does not last forever and OGS needs to deliver more and more each year. At the end of the day, he's done remarkably well at Man Utd - all that is missing is a trophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Geordie Ahmed said: Ultimately Man-U want to win the league and arguably they are closer now than they have ever been since Fergie left, that is progress Are they? I don’t think they have any chance of getting anywhere near the title under OGS. They haven’t so far. They also finished on 81 points in 2nd place under Mourinho, better than OGS’s 74 this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Results aside, is there any evidence at all to suggest OGS is a top tier coach though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: Man U will struggle to finish top 3 next season with OGS as manager. A better manager and they'd have a real chance of the title. That's my opinion. OGS has a better record than other Man Utd managers though, and he's broken multiple positive records. He's turned a previous one team league into a multiple team league and led a Norwegian team into Europe for the first time in ages during a time of massive recession in the Norwegian football league. He's not got major honors to his name, but it's just blind pettiness to write him off looking at the actual stats, facts and current expectations. It would be the same to call Barcelona idiots for appointing Guardiola or Dortmund idiots for appointing Klopp. He's only been at Man Utd for two and a half season and the turnaround has been exactly what the club/fans wanted to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, The Prophet said: Results aside, is there any evidence at all to suggest OGS is a top tier coach though? "Results aside" Anyway, just go by what players are saying about him as a man-manager. Haaland for instance is on record saying that if he had to choose between different sides in England to play for, he'd choose the one managed by OGS. Norway is a shit league so I know most people don't care, but what he did there would be like someone going to Hearts or Aberdeen and ending the Celtic domination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 Again, for the record, I don't particularly like OGS. He's an ex-Molde manager and ex-Man Utd player above all else. I just get annoyed to fuck at idiotic views that are based on pettiness and not reality, would be the same for any club/manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Kaizero said: That's not the merits Man Utds leadership or their fans are measuring him towards, though. You're essentially acting like the pundits talking about Rafa playing defensive shit football and NUFC fans disliking that and we should want a more attacking manager because we're Newcastle. When you're a Newcastle fan that opinion makes no sense. It's fairly obvious the main consideration that led to the OGS appointment was that they wanted a return to a style closer to the Sir Alex years and they got that, they got multiple broken positive records and a manager with a better league record than any manager they've had since Sir Alex. It's not hard to understand why Man Utd fans are pleased with feeling like "their" club is back. Now, that honeymoon period of restoration does not last forever and OGS needs to deliver more and more each year. At the end of the day, he's done remarkably well at Man Utd - all that is missing is a trophy. “Remarkably well” Howay man. Your Norwegian allegiances are making you say some silly things. As I’ve said multiple times, if Man Utd fans are happy with finishing 2nd - 4th every season, never winning a trophy but having good ‘spirit’. Good on them. Just seems bizarre they don’t want to be competitive. For me it’s a great result keeping OGS, Man Utd remaining impotent would be delicious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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