Joe Willock

[Kid Icarus]

You couldn't really say anyone bar Pope, Burn, Botman, and Schar had good games tbh. I wouldn't really single out Willock as being particularly bad either. Certainly not as poor as Wilson, Trippier, and ASM were.

[Heron]

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

You couldn't really say anyone bar Pope, Burn, Botman, and Schar had good games tbh. I wouldn't really single out Willock as being particularly bad either. Certainly not as poor as Wilson, Trippier, and ASM were.

I'd say Joelinton was our best outfield performer like, to be pedantic

[joeyt]

Joelinton wasn't at his usual standard, him and Bruno really struggled I thought

[duo]

I think the team as a whole had a poor game so it's unfair to single him out.  We're also only two games into the season.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by duo

[Kid Icarus]

21 minutes ago, Heron said:

I'd say Joelinton was our best outfield performer like, to be pedantic

 

Really? I thought he was loose with his passing, it was his short pass that lead to Trippier clearing it off the line.

 

Still love him.

[ponsaelius]

I thought Joelinton was awful.

[jackyboy]

I thought that the team did well and got the job done. In the past we'd have rolled over and this group of players don't do that. 

Brighton could well be the surprise of the season and have been working on their system for 3 years 

[tomlynnherrington]

2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 Absolutely bonkers 

Last season and this season.

31 games

2 goals

0 assists 

Yeah,I must be bonkers ?

[tomlynnherrington]

1 hour ago, joeyt said:

Joelinton wasn't at his usual standard, him and Bruno really struggled I thought

I agree.Brighton we’re a decent,workmanlike team and we couldn’t match them.

[Hanshithispantz]

3 minutes ago, tomlynnherrington said:

Last season and this season.

31 games

2 goals

0 assists 

Yeah,I must be bonkers ?

I mean you were saying Joelinton is our only pressing midfielder yesterday so I can see why you think little of Willock. You haven't been watching him.

[tomlynnherrington]

1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said:

I mean you were saying Joelinton is our only pressing midfielder yesterday so I can see why you think little of Willock. You haven't been watching him.

You haven’t defended his stats.I could have thrown in his exemplary disciplinary record but you could probably guess he’s never been booked or sent off.Joelinton  is our only EFFECTIVE pressing midfield player.Who else looks like winning the ball back when the opposition midfield have the ball? 

[Hanshithispantz]

10 minutes ago, tomlynnherrington said:

You haven’t defended his stats.I could have thrown in his exemplary disciplinary record but you could probably guess he’s never been booked or sent off.Joelinton  is our only EFFECTIVE pressing midfield player.Who else looks like winning the ball back when the opposition midfield have the ball? 

Joelinton is one of the best ball winning midfielders in the league, in the air and on the ground. Bruno too is exceptional at regaining possession. Willock and Longstaff both press well, which isn't synonymous with winning the ball (although Willock's defensive stats all round are pretty good).

 

I don't think Willock's role gets the best out of him atm but Howe prefers a midfield three and Willock works hard enough that he can slot in there. And I'm not defending his goal scoring numbers because they're shite, not really sure what your point is here though?

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by Hanshithispantz

[Dr Jinx]

Bruno and Joelinton are very different players but also are not a million miles apart in the way they move a ball around. They compliment each other.

 

Willock just doesn’t really fit around that, he sort of looks like he wants to take players on but he doesn’t have that instant acceleration so he’s ineffective around the opposition box. He doesn’t really offer much protection to the back line and when in possession he’s not the most imaginative with the ball.

 

That’s not to say he’s rubbish, he’s clearly not and he does lots of things really well. He's great at moving past players in midfield and getting a counter attack going, but that’s when he’s had a chance to stretch his legs a bit. And he definitely has a physical presence when we’re pressing.

 

It just doesn’t fit with what the other two are doing. I think with a fully fit squad, Shelvey plays.

 

Until we get a creative in, I think for the moment, Longstaff could play dm, and use Bruno higher up to pick passes?

[TRon]

1 minute ago, Dr Jinx said:

Bruno and Joelinton are very different players but also are not a million miles apart in the way they move a ball around. They compliment each other.

 

Willock just doesn’t really fit around that, he sort of looks like he wants to take players on but he doesn’t have that instant acceleration so he’s ineffective around the opposition box. He doesn’t really offer much protection to the back line and when in possession he’s not the most imaginative with the ball.

 

That’s not to say he’s rubbish, he’s clearly not and he does lots of things really well. He's great at moving past players in midfield and getting a counter attack going, but that’s when he’s had a chance to stretch his legs a bit. And he definitely has a physical presence when we’re pressing.

 

It just doesn’t fit with what the other two are doing. I think with a fully fit squad, Shelvey plays.

 

Until we get a creative in, I think for the moment, Longstaff could play dm, and use Bruno higher up to pick passes?

 

Not disagreeing with the gist of your post, but Willock not being top class isn't going to make Longstaff any better. Neither of them are good enough to make a real difference. Not sure Longstaff has ever been played as DM either.

[Dr Jinx]

2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Not disagreeing with the gist of your post, but Willock not being top class isn't going to make Longstaff any better. Neither of them are good enough to make a real difference. Not sure Longstaff has ever been played as DM either.

He played that role really well in one of the last pre season games.

 

For what it’s worth I think Willock is a better player and athlete than Longstaff but it’s about picking players that can be effective together.. I’m not sure Willock can be with Joelinton and Bruno?

[tomlynnherrington]

33 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Joelinton is one of the best ball winning midfielders in the league, in the air and on the ground. Bruno too is exceptional at regaining possession. Willock and Longstaff both press well, which isn't synonymous with winning the ball (although Willock's defensive stats all round are pretty good).

 

I don't think Willock's role get's the best out of him atm but Howe prefers a midfield three and Willock works hard enough that he can slot in there. And I'm not defending his goal scoring numbers because they're shite, not really sure what your point is here though?

You’ve said I haven’t been watching him so you must be right in everything you say and I’ve been guessing wrong.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by tomlynnherrington

[tomlynnherrington]

6 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Not disagreeing with the gist of your post, but Willock not being top class isn't going to make Longstaff any better. Neither of them are good enough to make a real difference. Not sure Longstaff has ever been played as DM either.

Haven’t  Shelvey and Longstaff been our defensive/ holding midfield players,as in protecting our central defenders? 

[Bimpy474]

1 hour ago, tomlynnherrington said:

Last season and this season.

31 games

2 goals

0 assists 

Yeah,I must be bonkers ?

 

I think the bonkers part is you seeing more in Murphy.

[tomlynnherrington]

Just now, Bimpy474 said:

 

I think the bonkers part is you seeing more in Murphy.

I would imagine Murphy’s stats playing in the same position would be superior.

[Hanshithispantz]

1 minute ago, tomlynnherrington said:

I would imagine Murphy’s stats playing in the same position would be superior.

Why would we play Murphy as a box to box midfielder?

[tomlynnherrington]

11 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Why would we play Murphy as a box to box midfielder?

Is that the role Willock plays? I would say he plays the role of an attacking midfield player.I believe Fraser could play a box to box role.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by tomlynnherrington

[KaKa]

I like Joe Willock, but he just doesn't seem like a first 11 player yet.

 

Should be an option off the bench for now. Hope we can get another starter in midfield before the window closes.

 

 

Edited August 14, 2022 by KaKa

[Bimpy474]

18 minutes ago, tomlynnherrington said:

I would imagine Murphy’s stats playing in the same position would be superior.

 

Then aye you are bonkers, Murphy has played only as a winger for 99% of his career. So you whack him in CM, well Attacking CM as you see it and expect him to be better than Willock.

 

Maybe you need focus on the whole role, Willock covers back works hard off the ball, not that Murphy wouldn't or doesn't, but in CM/ACM he would be lost defensively.

[Hanshithispantz]

1 minute ago, tomlynnherrington said:

Is that the role Willock plays? I would say he plays the role of an attacking midfield player.

He plays on the right or left of a midfield 3, that could be as an attacking midfielder but it's not really been Willock's role. He did scored more goals than Thiago did from there last season though, I'm not sure what that means like.

[tomlynnherrington]

5 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

Then aye you are bonkers, Murphy has played only as a winger for 99% of his career. So you whack him in CM, well Attacking CM as you see it and expect him to be better than Willock.

 

Maybe you need focus on the whole role, Willock covers back works hard off the ball, not that Murphy wouldn't or doesn't, but in CM/ACM he would be lost defensively.

He’s played right back for us on more than a few occasions and also right sided midfield.I’ve never suggested playing him CM or as an attacking CM.Actually reading my posts would be advisable before posting. You’re coming across as being more bonkers than me !!