Takeover Thread - July 1st statement, Staveley letter to Tracey Crouch (and response) in OP

[manorpark]

10 minutes ago, gdm said:

Not surprising one is a professional and one is a bit of joke 

One is a Journalist and one (thankfully) is not.

[The Prophet]

It would be highly convenient, if the PL could shift the blame for the vastly unpopular ESL, away from the top six and onto a party who threatens to break them apart. It would be totally irrelevant to any take over, but as above it would be a great way to discredit the opposition before they even kick off the hearing.

 

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by The Prophet

[Whitley mag]

To quote Jacobs the evidence to come out this week will be damaging to the separation argument. Let’s see, I’ll be absolutely amazed if PIF have directly backed the ESL with finance. If PIF have shares in a company that pledged funds to the ESL as a partner, then I think the link will be tenuous and more clear agenda to shift blame from America and ESL clubs.

He may sound eloquent, plausible and knows what he’s talking about, however only one person on the show last night has track record of being liberal with the truth.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1251554/CHARLES-SALE-Official-BBC-report-bares-Ben-Jacobs-sabotage-saga.html

Also ask Andrew Musgrove at the Chronicle why they had to pull an article last year due to misinformation provided by Ben Jacobs.

Keith rightly challenged him last night and I certainly know who I think is more genuine and trustworthy.

 

 

 

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[Fantail Breeze]

 An 11 year old article about a bizarre sabotage of an interview = Ben Jacobs can’t be right about anything.

Keith didn’t “challenge” him at all. He asked the same question (“Who is your PL source?”) over and over again in about 30 different ways of asking.

The questions he put to Jacobs were really poor. Keith was content on (and failed) trying to discredit Jacobs rather than asking relevant and good questions to tease out information about the current goings on.

Whitley has failed to find any positive spin for last night so it’s back into defence mode and immediately jump to trying to discredit Jacobs.

 

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by Fantail Breeze

[Whitley mag]

24 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 An 11 year old article about a bizarre sabotage of an interview = Ben Jacobs can’t be right about anything.

Keith didn’t “challenge” him at all. He asked the same question (“Who is your PL source?”) over and over again in about 30 different ways of asking.

The questions he put to Jacobs were really poor. Keith was content on (and failed) trying to discredit Jacobs rather than asking relevant and good questions to tease out information about the current goings on.

Whitley has failed to find any positive spin for last night so it’s back into defence mode and immediately jump to trying to discredit Jacobs.

He provided misinformation to the Chronicle last year not 12 years ago. Ben Jacobs has done a good enough job of discrediting himself without mine or Keith’s help.

To be honest I thought Jacobs made a tit of himself when he claimed the clubs case wasn’t NCSL’s. How the hell does he know what’s in the clubs case ? The PL don’t even know what the club are claiming in damages.

You’ve bigged up Jacobs performance and I’ve provided balance. All Jacobs provided last night was that there’s potentially new evidence re ESL and that MBS had a conversation with Boris. If that’s what the PL are relying on for separation argument I’m not worried in the least.

 

 

 

 

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[Whitley mag]

Worth reading this thread before the propaganda and attempts to influence arbitration ramp up. Also worth asking yourself why PL choose the likes of Slater and Jacobs to leak info to.

 

 

 

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[Whitley mag]

This would tie in with Luke Edwards getting all excited about some info putting an end to the takeover once and for all a few weeks back. He wasn’t able to substantiate it then let’s see what they come out with in next week. I predict it won’t be anything but smears and more tenuous links pedalled by certain journalists at the behest of invested parties.

 

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by Whitley mag

[Joey Linton]

11 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Worth reading this thread before the propaganda and attempts to influence arbitration ramp up. Also worth asking yourself why PL choose the likes of Slater and Jacobs to leak info to.

 

Jacobs "leaks" stuff last night but Keith has been "revealing" stuff for weeks on the podcast.

In all seriousness, you'd be taken far more seriously if you just admitted that last night didn't go particularly well, rather than just swerving it. Jacobs and Keith were like night and day last night, very little point not just acknowledging that. 

[Wandy]

The problem with Keith is that he is so dreadfully ineloquent that it is difficult to take him seriously. That's a bit of shallow view to take but unfortunately it's the way the world works, so he doesn't inspire any confidence. None of this will matter of course if the evidence he keeps referring to is as hard hitting as he claims. To be honest though, I really have my doubts that it is.

As far as Jacobs goes, although I more or less believe him when he says he is impartial, you can clearly tell that he loves it when a new bit of scandal or drama pops up in this story, hence him fizzing about the latest rumours around Saudi and the ESL.

[Thumbheed]

Mad seeing the same people who've shamelessly transitioned from "the takeovers off" to "the takeover won't go through" still have the balls to try and call out someone else's judgement/opinions.  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by Thumbheed

[Whitley mag]

10 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

Jacobs "leaks" stuff last night but Keith has been "revealing" stuff for weeks on the podcast.

In all seriousness, you'd be taken far more seriously if you just admitted that last night didn't go particularly well, rather than just swerving it. Jacobs and Keith were like night and day last night, very little point not just acknowledging that. 

Keith is genuinely trying to keep fans in the loop and only reveals what he can. 

Interested to know which particular  piece of information which was discussed last night that makes you think takeover won’t happen ? Jacobs is more eloquent and Keith is more abrupt and confrontational. However, not sure what you’re point is it wasn’t an election debate. Jacobs apart from teasing new evidence provided nothing new to suggest takeover won’t go through.
 

[manorpark]

14 minutes ago, Wandy said:

The problem with Keith is that he is so dreadfully ineloquent that it is difficult to take him seriously. That's a bit of shallow view to take but unfortunately it's the way the world works, so he doesn't inspire any confidence. None of this will matter of course if the evidence he keeps referring to is as hard hitting as he claims. To be honest though, I really have my doubts that it is.

As far as Jacobs goes, although I more or less believe him when he says he is impartial, you can clearly tell that he loves it when a new bit of scandal or drama pops up in this story, hence him fizzing about the latest rumours around Saudi and the ESL.

One is a Journalist and one (thankfully) is not.

[Joey Linton]

3 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Keith is genuinely trying to keep fans in the loop and only reveals what he can. 

Interested to know which particular  piece of information which was discussed last night that makes you think takeover won’t happen ? Jacobs is more eloquent and Keith is more abrupt and confrontational. However, not sure what you’re point is it wasn’t an election debate. Jacobs apart from teasing new evidence provided nothing new to suggest takeover won’t go through.
 

Jacobs teasing?

 

Every week from midweek man, it's "tune in to the three amigos podcast this friday where we'll reveal..." etc etc

[manorpark]

Information . . .

Revealed: Expert claims Newcastle takeover legal action could be 'game changer' - Chronicle Live

[gdm]

39 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

Jacobs "leaks" stuff last night but Keith has been "revealing" stuff for weeks on the podcast.

In all seriousness, you'd be taken far more seriously if you just admitted that last night didn't go particularly well, rather than just swerving it. Jacobs and Keith were like night and day last night, very little point not just acknowledging that. 

Certain people be it positive or negative just refuse to be balanced. I barely take an interest any more. 

[Alberto2005]

24 minutes ago, manorpark said:

One is a Journalist and one (thankfully) is not.

 

13 minutes ago, manorpark said:

Information . . .

Revealed: Expert claims Newcastle takeover legal action could be 'game changer' - Chronicle Live

'Journalist Simon Zekaria'.

[Whitley mag]

34 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

Jacobs teasing?

 

Every week from midweek man, it's "tune in to the three amigos podcast this friday where we'll reveal..." etc etc

I’m still waiting which particular point was raised last night that didn’t go well ? A point maybe that shows the takeover won’t happen ?

I thought Jacobs was credible in relation to the grand old duke being in relation to being about govt department’s and not just fucking consortium about.

But as you’re treating the podcast akin to an election debate, what was the knockout blow in relation to the takeover ?

[Whitley mag]

20 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

 

'Journalist Simon Zekaria'.

The point being ? Before this takeover who the fuck had heard of Bein Jacobs. 

From the article -

While not the sort of place United would normally feature Mlex market insight, a website that specialises in regulatory risk, is a world-renowned authority on the subject and has tackled the Competition Appeals Tribunal case in a new editorial.

 

[Fantail Breeze]

1 hour ago, Thumbheed said:

Mad seeing the same people who've shamelessly transitioned from "the takeovers off" to "the takeover won't go through" still have the balls to try and call out someone else's judgement/opinions.  

 

 

 

You’ve got such an odd take on everything.

The takeover is currently off, PIF pulled out. That’s the definition of being off. And I do think it is is unlikely to go through, based on what we’ve heard to date.

I’m not sure what your point is. There is no ‘shameless transition’. 

What about those who have moved from ‘the takeover is happening’ to ‘it’s looking unlikely’. Have they had a shameless transition? Is it not possible for people to change their viewpoint based on the information in front of them?

The opposite is the problem. Some people are unwilling to change their viewpoints, even with overwhelming noise of the deal being in bother. I’d argue it’s more of an issue for those people, rather than those who are happy to assess what is in front of them.

[ToonArmy1892]

I don't even know what people are going on about anymore, fucking sick of all this like.

[Alberto2005]

27 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

The point being ? Before this takeover who the fuck had heard of Bein Jacobs. 

From the article -

While not the sort of place United would normally feature Mlex market insight, a website that specialises in regulatory risk, is a world-renowned authority on the subject and has tackled the Competition Appeals Tribunal case in a new editorial.

 

My point being I'm sick of you guys twisting everything to suit your own argument at every opportunity, no wonder nobody takes you or manorpark seriously. If you came out and said  'Look I think the takeover will happen because of X, Y, Z however I also understand the PL could a chance because of X, Y, Z' then people would have a little more respect for what you're saying.

But instead it's 'IT IS HAPPENING. WAIT. EVERYTHING POINTS TO A TAKEOVER. THE PL ARE FINISHED AND HAVE NO CASE'.

It's embarassing.

[Whitley mag]

39 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

My point being I'm sick of you guys twisting everything to suit your own argument at every opportunity, no wonder nobody takes you or manorpark seriously. If you came out and said  'Look I think the takeover will happen because of X, Y, Z however I also understand the PL could a chance because of X, Y, Z' then people would have a little more respect for what you're saying.

But instead it's 'IT IS HAPPENING. WAIT. EVERYTHING POINTS TO A TAKEOVER. THE PL ARE FINISHED AND HAVE NO CASE'.

It's embarassing.

Simple really don’t read, I don’t give a shit whether people take me seriously or not. I voice my opinion take it or leave it.

[Numbers]

42 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

My point being I'm sick of you guys twisting everything to suit your own argument at every opportunity, no wonder nobody takes you or manorpark seriously. If you came out and said  'Look I think the takeover will happen because of X, Y, Z however I also understand the PL could a chance because of X, Y, Z' then people would have a little more respect for what you're saying.

But instead it's 'IT IS HAPPENING. WAIT. EVERYTHING POINTS TO A TAKEOVER. THE PL ARE FINISHED AND HAVE NO CASE'.

It's embarassing.

Imagine different people having different opinions.

I don't get why people get so wound up because some people are positive or negative about the whole thing, it's really not going to change nowt.

[mouldy_uk]

53 minutes ago, ToonArmy1892 said:

I don't even know what people are going on about anymore, fucking sick of all this like.

I’m completely lost as well, preferred when this was locked then I don’t keep checking it whenever there has been some activity 

[Alberto2005]

17 minutes ago, Numbers said:

Imagine different people having different opinions.

I don't get why people get so wound up because some people are positive or negative about the whole thing, it's really not going to change nowt.

You clearly didn't read what I wrote, I don't have a problem with people having an opinion one way or the other but some people on here refuse to take another side of the argument.