Takeover Thread - July 1st statement, Staveley letter to Tracey Crouch (and response) in OP

[manorpark]

Information . . .

Revealed: Expert claims Newcastle takeover legal action could be 'game changer' - Chronicle Live

[gdm]

39 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

Jacobs "leaks" stuff last night but Keith has been "revealing" stuff for weeks on the podcast.

In all seriousness, you'd be taken far more seriously if you just admitted that last night didn't go particularly well, rather than just swerving it. Jacobs and Keith were like night and day last night, very little point not just acknowledging that. 

Certain people be it positive or negative just refuse to be balanced. I barely take an interest any more. 

[Alberto2005]

24 minutes ago, manorpark said:

One is a Journalist and one (thankfully) is not.

 

13 minutes ago, manorpark said:

Information . . .

Revealed: Expert claims Newcastle takeover legal action could be 'game changer' - Chronicle Live

'Journalist Simon Zekaria'.

[Whitley mag]

34 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

Jacobs teasing?

 

Every week from midweek man, it's "tune in to the three amigos podcast this friday where we'll reveal..." etc etc

I’m still waiting which particular point was raised last night that didn’t go well ? A point maybe that shows the takeover won’t happen ?

I thought Jacobs was credible in relation to the grand old duke being in relation to being about govt department’s and not just fucking consortium about.

But as you’re treating the podcast akin to an election debate, what was the knockout blow in relation to the takeover ?

[Whitley mag]

20 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

 

'Journalist Simon Zekaria'.

The point being ? Before this takeover who the fuck had heard of Bein Jacobs. 

From the article -

While not the sort of place United would normally feature Mlex market insight, a website that specialises in regulatory risk, is a world-renowned authority on the subject and has tackled the Competition Appeals Tribunal case in a new editorial.

 

[Fantail Breeze]

1 hour ago, Thumbheed said:

Mad seeing the same people who've shamelessly transitioned from "the takeovers off" to "the takeover won't go through" still have the balls to try and call out someone else's judgement/opinions.  

 

 

 

You’ve got such an odd take on everything.

The takeover is currently off, PIF pulled out. That’s the definition of being off. And I do think it is is unlikely to go through, based on what we’ve heard to date.

I’m not sure what your point is. There is no ‘shameless transition’. 

What about those who have moved from ‘the takeover is happening’ to ‘it’s looking unlikely’. Have they had a shameless transition? Is it not possible for people to change their viewpoint based on the information in front of them?

The opposite is the problem. Some people are unwilling to change their viewpoints, even with overwhelming noise of the deal being in bother. I’d argue it’s more of an issue for those people, rather than those who are happy to assess what is in front of them.

[ToonArmy1892]

I don't even know what people are going on about anymore, fucking sick of all this like.

[Alberto2005]

27 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

The point being ? Before this takeover who the fuck had heard of Bein Jacobs. 

From the article -

While not the sort of place United would normally feature Mlex market insight, a website that specialises in regulatory risk, is a world-renowned authority on the subject and has tackled the Competition Appeals Tribunal case in a new editorial.

 

My point being I'm sick of you guys twisting everything to suit your own argument at every opportunity, no wonder nobody takes you or manorpark seriously. If you came out and said  'Look I think the takeover will happen because of X, Y, Z however I also understand the PL could a chance because of X, Y, Z' then people would have a little more respect for what you're saying.

But instead it's 'IT IS HAPPENING. WAIT. EVERYTHING POINTS TO A TAKEOVER. THE PL ARE FINISHED AND HAVE NO CASE'.

It's embarassing.

[Whitley mag]

39 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

My point being I'm sick of you guys twisting everything to suit your own argument at every opportunity, no wonder nobody takes you or manorpark seriously. If you came out and said  'Look I think the takeover will happen because of X, Y, Z however I also understand the PL could a chance because of X, Y, Z' then people would have a little more respect for what you're saying.

But instead it's 'IT IS HAPPENING. WAIT. EVERYTHING POINTS TO A TAKEOVER. THE PL ARE FINISHED AND HAVE NO CASE'.

It's embarassing.

Simple really don’t read, I don’t give a shit whether people take me seriously or not. I voice my opinion take it or leave it.

[Numbers]

42 minutes ago, Alberto2005 said:

My point being I'm sick of you guys twisting everything to suit your own argument at every opportunity, no wonder nobody takes you or manorpark seriously. If you came out and said  'Look I think the takeover will happen because of X, Y, Z however I also understand the PL could a chance because of X, Y, Z' then people would have a little more respect for what you're saying.

But instead it's 'IT IS HAPPENING. WAIT. EVERYTHING POINTS TO A TAKEOVER. THE PL ARE FINISHED AND HAVE NO CASE'.

It's embarassing.

Imagine different people having different opinions.

I don't get why people get so wound up because some people are positive or negative about the whole thing, it's really not going to change nowt.

[mouldy_uk]

53 minutes ago, ToonArmy1892 said:

I don't even know what people are going on about anymore, fucking sick of all this like.

I’m completely lost as well, preferred when this was locked then I don’t keep checking it whenever there has been some activity 

[Alberto2005]

17 minutes ago, Numbers said:

Imagine different people having different opinions.

I don't get why people get so wound up because some people are positive or negative about the whole thing, it's really not going to change nowt.

You clearly didn't read what I wrote, I don't have a problem with people having an opinion one way or the other but some people on here refuse to take another side of the argument.

 

[Thumbheed]

1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said:

You’ve got such an odd take on everything.

The takeover is currently off, PIF pulled out. That’s the definition of being off. And I do think it is is unlikely to go through, based on what we’ve heard to date.

I’m not sure what your point is. There is no ‘shameless transition’. 

What about those who have moved from ‘the takeover is happening’ to ‘it’s looking unlikely’. Have they had a shameless transition? Is it not possible for people to change their viewpoint based on the information in front of them?

The opposite is the problem. Some people are unwilling to change their viewpoints, even with overwhelming noise of the deal being in bother. I’d argue it’s more of an issue for those people, rather than those who are happy to assess what is in front of them.

I'll give a proper response to this post a wide berth if that's Ok, Fanny?

But perhaps you should let Mike know the takeovers off as he seems to think otherwise. 

 

 

[Tiresias]

No one really knows the odds of it getting revived just pulling out conjecture maybe it could but as a general rule of something was supposed to take a month or two and it hasn't happened after a year and there's a ton of complicated court cases to get through don't hold your breath. All these Twitter people stringing people along i am finding more and more objectionable. I really hope to be surprised but i very much doubt this is ever going to happen

[Fantail Breeze]

52 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

I'll give a proper response to this post a wide berth if that's Ok, Fanny?

But perhaps you should let Mike know the takeovers off as he seems to think otherwise. 

 

 

Standard haven’t got an answer so can’t give a proper response.

[Jackie Broon]

If there were no prospect of the deal being revived there would be absolutely no logical reason for the request for an injunction in the CAT case to change the PL's decision and there would be no reason to the club to go ahead with the arbitration.

[Mattoon]

Pretty foolish to pretend you know which way this will fall based on the rantings of people either side of the fence. It's their job to play down the other sides strengths and try and discredit them to the best of their ability. The only way we know one way or another is when the man in the middle making the decisions based on the evidence put before him decides which way it falls.

 

I don't begrudge anyone being positive or negative as some have to hold hope, some prefer to err on the side of caution to protect their mental health. The enormity of this proposition can't be more important to the fans.

 

What I can't stand is the righteous indignation and goading, name calling and ad hominem attacks. What's the point? You can be as assured as you want but none of us know until it happens. While there's still legs in this there is still hope and some people need to hang on to that because to them the opposite is not worth thinking about. Personally I'm still cautiously optimistic, if/when that rug gets pulled there's nothing left for me here. 

[LV]

4 hours ago, Joey Linton said:

Jacobs "leaks" stuff last night but Keith has been "revealing" stuff for weeks on the podcast.

In all seriousness, you'd be taken far more seriously if you just admitted that last night didn't go particularly well, rather than just swerving it. Jacobs and Keith were like night and day last night, very little point not just acknowledging that. 

That’s not true at all though is it. I watched and they weren’t like night and day at all. Both were quite annoying. 

[Guest HTT II]

19 minutes ago, Mattoon said:

Pretty foolish to pretend you know which way this will fall based on the rantings of people either side of the fence. It's their job to play down the other sides strengths and try and discredit them to the best of their ability. The only way we know one way or another is when the man in the middle making the decisions based on the evidence put before him decides which way it falls.

 

I don't begrudge anyone being positive or negative as some have to hold hope, some prefer to err on the side of caution to protect their mental health. The enormity of this proposition can't be more important to the fans.

 

What I can't stand is the righteous indignation and goading, name calling and ad hominem attacks. What's the point? You can be as assured as you want but none of us know until it happens. While there's still legs in this there is still hope and some people need to hang on to that because to them the opposite is not worth thinking about. Personally I'm still cautiously optimistic, if/when that rug gets pulled there's nothing left for me here. 

Well said and I’m still cautiously optimistic and the enormity you mentioned, goes further than just our club, but our city, region and future sporting culture which as witnessed when KK and SJH took over, completely changed everything. PIF would build a super state of the art academy for a start that would be the hub for generations and generations of kids and adults to provide the club and game with prospects, talent, potential and excellence in the field of the sport which will sustain the club competing at the very top far more than simply spending money or not spending money ever would, as we have found to our costly failures when we have spent big and when we haven’t. It’s all about the infrastructure and that’s what PIF guarantee and why I and we all should badly hope this happens and what is truly being denied to us which is our right. Winning isn’t, trophies isn’t, but we have a right to a football club that operates properly, at the best level possible off the field. 

[Beamish]

2 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

Simple really don’t read, I don’t give a shit whether people take me seriously or not. I voice my opinion take it or leave it.

Thing is though it's not even an opinion is it?

It's just blind faith without anything to back it up, that's what gets people's backs up.

[Jackie Broon]

It’s easy for someone like Jacobs to sound convincing when he’s talking about something that is actually very legally complex in terms of common sense unbound by that legal complexity.

PIF is the sovereign wealth fund of Saudi Arabia, with MbS and other government ministers on the board so it must be under the ‘control’ of the state, obvious common sense. That argument sounds very convincing, however, it’s clearly not that simple. 

The very first section of the Santiago Principles (the international principles by which most sovereign wealth funs operate) deals with legal separation and that many SWF are established as having separate legal identities to the state and full capacity to act independently. It’s clearly well established the SWFs can be legally separate and autonomous from the state.

From what I can gather PIF, unusually for even a legally separate SWF, seems to have virtually nothing in the way of requirement to report back to government and since 2014 was granted the right to act completely independently.

But, MbS and other ministers are on the board right, so the state must actually be in control?

Well, ministers can have other interest and jobs. Although in this county ministers are expected to have that as their sole job, if they were director of a company that wouldn’t make it state controlled because it would be a separate role. Plenty of MPs are also company directors, that doesn’t mean those companies are state controlled.

The state is really in control of everything right? They could just legislate or instruct PIF to do what they want so they’re really in control. Well, in this country they wouldn’t be because Section 251 of the Companies Act 2006 excludes government ministers from being considered to be shadow directors in such circumstances.

I’m not arguing that we will definitely be successful in the arbitration, I might not be legally correct with the stuff above, just trying to make the point that it is very easy to make it sound a forgone conclusion taking in terms of common sense, but it is not that simple. 
 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by Jackie Broon

[gdm]

4 hours ago, Alberto2005 said:

My point being I'm sick of you guys twisting everything to suit your own argument at every opportunity, no wonder nobody takes you or manorpark seriously. If you came out and said  'Look I think the takeover will happen because of X, Y, Z however I also understand the PL could a chance because of X, Y, Z' then people would have a little more respect for what you're saying.

But instead it's 'IT IS HAPPENING. WAIT. EVERYTHING POINTS TO A TAKEOVER. THE PL ARE FINISHED AND HAVE NO CASE'.

It's embarassing.

[Fantail Breeze]

2 minutes ago, POOT 2.0 said:

Putting these back-and-forward arguments aside, for one moment...

...what are people's thoughts on why the PL didn't just deny the takeover and instead left it hanging? I know they say they were waiting on a response from whoever. But there surely must be a reason they didn't just say 

nope? I don't know, which is why I'm asking.

I’d assume they left it open to evidence how much opportunity they tried to give the consortium to comply. No idea though.

I’m at the stage now where I’d quite like them to just do the deal and see if the PL have the bottle to disqualify us from the league  Especially after no punishment was handed out to the top 6.

[gdm]

 

Whitley is that you? Fuckin hell

[Yorkie]

3 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

I’m at the stage now where I’d quite like them to just do the deal and see if the PL have the bottle to disqualify us from the league  Especially after no punishment was handed out to the top 6.

Have thought that myself but sadly I guess we don't have anywhere near the same amount of leverage as that awful lot.