nbthree3 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Ben's been speaking again about the ongoing process tonight for anyone interested. It's live atm but please though listen with an open mind because he's just another perspective in this long and drawn-out, painful process. If it was so easy, as he's said before on Twitter, it would have already happened. Goes with Edwards to a certain extent, but we seem to know his motivations much more. Cracking thumbnail too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 If anyone thinks Bruce will be doing anything but eating for the next 3 weeks they must be mad, that scouty fella might do a bit fishing but Ashley won't spend a nut whilst the takeover is in the pipeline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Much better Q&A with Jacobs, actually allowing him the opportunity to answer the questions put to him, rather than just talking over him about a letter. Really insightful, thought it was interesting that PIF have said they’ll walk away for good if arbitration fails. Also found the explanation of arbitration helpful. They’re not arbitrating the separation per se, but they are arbitrating whether the PL’s O&D test is robust enough to make a judgement about separation in the first place. Basically an argument about the word ‘control’ as the PL’s test doesn’t define it properly. Some really good answers too about why the fake ITKs on Twitter are full of bollocks and why particular rules didn’t apply - simple terms, because the consortium never forced the PL into a corner and PIF publicly withdrew too soon. Interesting that Jacobs has no idea which way it’ll go, which again adds evidence to his credibility. As he says, all we can do is W A I T until the arbitration ruling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Can't believe anyone is giving Bein Jacobs any credit. He's a slimy no mark cunt doing what he can to get involved in this to make a living. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dokko said: Can't believe anyone is giving Bein Jacobs any credit. He's a slimy no mark cunt doing what he can to get involved in this to make a living. Aye. Let’s do away with credible people presenting a credible take on the situation and move to the other thread and see what The Sun has to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Aye. Let’s do away with credible people presenting a credible take on the situation and move to the other thread and see what The Sun has to say. He came in to this process antagonising the shit out of NUFC fans, calling us worse than shite for wanting blood money in our club. Then he realised he could make some good money of his own (off the back of bloody money as the story doesn't exist without KSA) and become relevant (well he saw a dentist, a lawyer & a Self promoter doing it so why not) if he toned it down and changed tact. That is exactly what he's done and its shameful you sit there allowing him to influence your thoughts and try and pass it off on here as he's some messiah of truth. He's a con artist and you are the old lady thinking she's in love. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 He mentioned in that podcast that the reason he's so invested is because it's his niche. He can add to the discussions because of his reporting and sources in the MIddle East accumulated over something like 7 years. He mentioned a Leeds takeover in 2014 involving GFH in 2012 which went pear shaped. "(David) Haigh was convicted of fraud charges in Dubai and spent 22-months in prison, where he claims he was tortured and raped. He is a campaigner for human rights and justice in the UAE, specifically on unfair trials, torture, Interpol and extraditions." Never treat anything isolated as gospel but use the common ground across different reports if they're so conflicting to build up a picture of how you interpret news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 If Jacobs gets told something from the buying side, it's only tweeted by him attached to some negative spin from bein/PL. Each to their own but lawyer shell has got as much correct as him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dokko said: He came in to this process antagonising the shit out of NUFC fans, calling us worse than shite for wanting blood money in our club. Then he realised he could make some good money of his own (off the back of bloody money as the story doesn't exist without KSA) and become relevant (well he saw a dentist, a lawyer & a Self promoter doing it so why not) if he toned it down and changed tact. That is exactly what he's done and its shameful you sit there allowing him to influence your thoughts and try and pass it off on here as he's some messiah of truth. He's a con artist and you are the old lady thinking she's in love. Well, that’s not what he said at all. But okay. Secondly, I have no issues with having an open mind and listening to thoughts from many people. He made some really good points today, with seemingly good information to back it up. If Keith could do the same, maybe I’d listen to him more. But all he’s done recently is bang on about a fairly irrelevant letter and abuse anyone who disagrees with him. Edited June 7, 2021 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 33 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Also found the explanation of arbitration helpful. They’re not arbitrating the separation per se, but they are arbitrating whether the PL’s O&D test is robust enough to make a judgement about separation in the first place. Oh dear. Considering that Beloff was the one who came up with the changes to the test I'd say that this confirms which way he will be leaning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 (edited) https://jusmundi.com/en/document/decision/en-newcastle-united-fc-limited-v-football-association-premier-league-limited-judgment-of-the-united-kingdom-high-court-of-justice-2021-ewhc-349-wednesday-24th-february-2021 Paragraph 67: NUFC maintains that the scope of the arbitration is wider than the "Director" issue. I do not accept that to be so. None of the facts and matters referred to in paragraphs 8 and 17 of NUFC's skeleton submissions engage in any relevant way with Section F of PLL's Rules or with the issues that the 2017 Advice was concerned with. Section F of the Rules is not material in the circumstances to the true construction of the definitions within Section A for the reasons already explained in paragraphs 38-40 of the judgment. The arbitration is concerned ultimately with and only with the applicability of the definitions in Section A to KSA. Because the advice was related to section F of the O+D test rather than A, which applies to this arbitration the grounds of bias are dismissed - even if it's also mentioned a big oversight not telling Newcastle beforehand! Paragraph 59: "Notwithstanding my conclusion that the failure of the second defendant to set out this request in correspondence copied to all parties was an error of judgment, the only relevant question that arises is whether the fair-minded and informed observer, having considered the facts, would infer a real risk of bias from this error. In my judgment such an observer having all the attributes referred to in the authorities would not have come to that conclusion. " Edited June 7, 2021 by nbthree3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said: Much better Q&A with Jacobs, actually allowing him the opportunity to answer the questions put to him, rather than just talking over him about a letter. Really insightful, thought it was interesting that PIF have said they’ll walk away for good if arbitration fails. Also found the explanation of arbitration helpful. They’re not arbitrating the separation per se, but they are arbitrating whether the PL’s O&D test is robust enough to make a judgement about separation in the first place. Basically an argument about the word ‘control’ as the PL’s test doesn’t define it properly. Some really good answers too about why the fake ITKs on Twitter are full of bollocks and why particular rules didn’t apply - simple terms, because the consortium never forced the PL into a corner and PIF publicly withdrew too soon. Interesting that Jacobs has no idea which way it’ll go, which again adds evidence to his credibility. As he says, all we can do is W A I T until the arbitration ruling. Yeah, it was a lot better hearing him actually being allowed to answer, even if some disagree with what he has to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 @nbthree3 is that you Ben? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr Jinx Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, nbthree3 said: Well as it may or may not be you, can you give us a summary of what happened at the bbc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Deviating a little but https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221150/Suspended-The-naked-sports-broadcaster-suspected-Radio-5-Live-f-word-sabotage.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, nbthree3 said: Deviating a little but https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221150/Suspended-The-naked-sports-broadcaster-suspected-Radio-5-Live-f-word-sabotage.html We never got to find out exactly why, but he did something with Musgrave at the Chronicle (podcast I think) during the last Middle East takeover bid, which was pulled within 24 hours when it was found he had given some alleged less than truthful information. Can’t recall the full story, but seem to remember Mark Douglas slating him. Don’t care what he says he has an agenda and is being used by the Premier League and BEIN and now with all the Twitter posts and his non stop podcast appearances (seems to have a lot of time to make a hell of a lot for a self called investigative journalist). Wish him and Keith would both fuck off with their constant barrage of promoting the so called facts. I hope to god the cases are put to bed soon so that both will fuck off for good. Edited June 8, 2021 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 In hindsight the best thing Caulkin could have done was to step back from it completely. The thing is, once (if) the takeover happens, all these people will be in its shade and will be quickly forgotten when it comes to what happens next with nufc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 I remember when journalists were supposed to report about the story, not become part of the story. Shit stirring jackals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Consortium of one said: I remember when journalists were supposed to report about the story, not become part of the story. Shit stirring jackals. Similar issue with some supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Supporters should always be part of the story, it’s our fucking club/game… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Think it's fairly obvious i wasn't referring to all supporters, just like it isn't all journalists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Joey Linton said: Think it's fairly obvious i wasn't referring to all supporters, just like it isn't all journalists. Nah all supporters have a right to be part of ‘the’ story where their club and game is concerned, journos don’t have that same right. They are their to report, chronicle and cover a story, they should be impartial and have integrity and not become part of the story, twist the story or change the story or be the actual story as cunts like Edwards feel is their right to be these days. They need ignored and they will go away, they are nothing but scumbags and mercenaries just as much as agents are, at least agents have legitimate business here in the game and sport… Edited June 8, 2021 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 12 hours ago, Dokko said: Can't believe anyone is giving Bein Jacobs any credit. He's a slimy no mark cunt doing what he can to get involved in this to make a living. slimey no mark cunt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 He also looks like Sam Matterface. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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