relámpago blanco Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Could we not just revoke our premier league status go to the championship and then get promoted this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 If true, it makes perfect sense. PIF by agreeing to do something about piracy are basically admitting to being apart of the Saudi state and thus liable for the piracy issues. Makes it an easy rejection in the premier leagues eyes. What?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Could we not just revoke our premier league status go to the championship and then get promoted this season? No, we can't. Apart from the fact that there is probably no way to do that, the O&D test is applied to directors/owners all promoted clubs, also at the start of every season for current PL clubs and can be reapplied at any time the PL become aware of a disqualifying event. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 So...premier league says the bid is withdrawn so nothing to reject...the club says there has been a bid rejected. Who do you believe? It's like being asked to choose who to get in bed with Jo Brand or Katy Brand. One would definitely be more fun, but one has the dirt and filth. Either way you feel minging in the morning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 So...premier league says the bid is withdrawn so nothing to reject...the club says there has been a bid rejected. Who do you believe? It's like being asked to choose who to get in bed with Jo Brand or Katy Brand. One would definitely be more fun, but one has the dirt and filth. Either way you feel minging in the morning Katy Brand, easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Could we not just revoke our premier league status go to the championship and then get promoted this season? No, we can't. Apart from the fact that there is probably no way to do that, the O&D test is applied to directors/owners all promoted clubs, also at the start of every season for current PL clubs and can be reapplied at any time the PL become aware of ambition outside the top 6. fyp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Rather than appealing the rejection, the club may consider applying for a Judicial Review. A Judicial review process would examine whether the PL have correctly applied the O&D procedures in reaching their decision to reject the takeover. If it is established they have exceeded the parameters of the O&D procedures in rejecting the takeover, regardless of the evidence of piracy etc, they could then be left with no other option than to allow the takeover. The Judicial review process only applies to decisions made by public bodies. I studied restraint of trade in sport last year and came across some judicial commentary that suggest judges may be open to extending judicial review to sports regulatory bodies in some instances. Doubt this case is one of them mind. Interesting, but whatever happens I think the most likely route for altering the decision is an appeal to the PL and then to CAS after that, if there is the will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 So...premier league says the bid is withdrawn so nothing to reject...the club says there has been a bid rejected. Who do you believe? It's like being asked to choose who to get in bed with Jo Brand or Katy Brand. One would definitely be more fun, but one has the dirt and filth. Either way you feel minging in the morning Katy Brand, easily. Caveat is that she'll only accept if you can get your cv onto a single sheet of A4.. Or you can prove if a strawberry is dead or alive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 So...premier league says the bid is withdrawn so nothing to reject...the club says there has been a bid rejected. Who do you believe? It's like being asked to choose who to get in bed with Jo Brand or Katy Brand. One would definitely be more fun, but one has the dirt and filth. Either way you feel minging in the morning Katy Brand, easily. Caveat is that she'll only accept if you can get your cv onto a single sheet of A4.. Or you can prove if a strawberry is dead or alive You could get my CV on a sheet of A5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 So...premier league says the bid is withdrawn so nothing to reject...the club says there has been a bid rejected. Who do you believe? It's like being asked to choose who to get in bed with Jo Brand or Katy Brand. One would definitely be more fun, but one has the dirt and filth. Either way you feel minging in the morning Katy Brand, easily. Caveat is that she'll only accept if you can get your cv onto a single sheet of A4.. Or you can prove if a strawberry is dead or alive You could get my CV on a sheet of A5. And what's your take on strawberries? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 People never change their font sizes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 There are a lot of people on here indulging in their usual "negative interpretations" after Ashley's Statement. I do not know why? Anyway, the message remains almost exactly as it was before last nights statement . . . "The deal is (still) far from dead, things are happening behind the scenes, all we can do is WAIT for the outcome" The negative interpretations are based on the previous 13 years of Ashley. We can't have nice things. I struggle to comprehend why certain posters can't understand why other posters think the worst? The over the top "Oh, mark my words, this is 100% happening" posts are really tiresome. There is middle ground in all of this but those posts tend to get ignored. So, my view. I really really want this takeover to happen. I want to see the back of Ashley and believe this is the only (realistic short-term) way. However, regardless of how much Ashley wants it, Staveley wants it, PIF want it, the evidence, removing wild assumptions and guesswork, point to the fact that the PL have an issue with it. At the end of the day, it's their process, it's their "club". Unless something dramatic happens then I can't see this going through. There has been no word from anyone that an appeal is going to happen (let's hope it does) and the only thing we know is a proven liar has released a statement about "considering options". It's great to have positivity but it's also sensible to be realistic. That's the basis on the, as you call them, "negative" posts. Not really, not at all in fact! Realistic posts (hopefully not ignored) are such as those from me where I keep on saying . . "things ARE happening, wait for the outcome (not before) then we will know". I guess this is where you and I struggle to understand each other. There will NEVER be a definitive outcome until the club is sold, that's a fact. I'm not arguing that. However, all you're doing is speculating on what the consortium will do. Appeals, legal action, restructuring the board etc, it's all speculation. Until the consortium show their hand, the takeover isn't happening. This latest release from Ashley means nothing, other than the takeover is now officially rejected. Again, I ask, can someone please show me evidence of the Southampton takeover being rejected and appealed please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 This does not fit with Caulkin saying all parties were working on takeover behind the scenes and expected it to be approved imminently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Believe nobody basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Noticed wraith was confident all the way thru now saying it’s over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Any sort of legal action is what the PL will be desperate to avoid. We all know football in general is highly corrupt, the PL will have their skeletons for sure. This could just be the tip of the iceberg for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 This is how I see it too. Ashley is probably raging, but he's also seen an opportunity to score a PR open goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Schrodinger’s Takeover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 So...premier league says the bid is withdrawn so nothing to reject...the club says there has been a bid rejected. Who do you believe? I suspect that this whole thing is getting bogged down with the nuances of words. It looks like the PL rejected the bid, saying that they needed more clarity over ownership. It could then either be stated that they rejected the bid, or that they were seeking more information, depending on the impression you are trying to make. It doesn't alter the reality, which is that the Saudis failed to establish a clear enough dividing line between the PIF and the Saudi Government, at least to the Premiership's satisfaction. There's no need to get into a debate about who is telling the truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 To all of those convinced this is going to happen, I have a question. What's it going to take for you to admit it's over? 1. Consortium media statement? 2. An appeal which is then rejected again? 3. Failed legal action after a rejected appeal? We've now had a statement from PIF, a statement from Staveley, communication from the Rueben's, communication from the PL, a statement from the club saying it's been rejected. On the flip side we've had some journalist claim that the parties were all still talking, but now they've had the rejection. Where's the positivity? I'm desperate to get some of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 This is how I see it too. Ashley is probably raging, but he's also seen an opportunity to score a PR open goal. Plus he probably rightly considers he was robbed of the opportunity to sell the club. It's all about compensation for him as far as I can see. If there were attempts to get PIF on board surely the PL would have accommodated them, but instead have returned an outright rejection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 This is how I see it too. Ashley is probably raging, but he's also seen an opportunity to score a PR open goal. Plus he probably rightly considers he was robbed of the opportunity to sell the club. It's all about compensation for him as far as I can see. If there were attempts to get PIF on board surely the PL would have accommodated them, but instead have returned an outright rejection. Maybe his legal team advised him how much he's likely to win, and he's spent that on some Bournemouth players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 To all of those convinced this is going to happen, I have a question. What's it going to take for you to admit it's over? 1. Consortium media statement? 2. An appeal which is then rejected again? 3. Failed legal action after a rejected appeal? We've now had a statement from PIF, a statement from Staveley, communication from the Rueben's, communication from the PL, a statement from the club saying it's been rejected. On the flip side we've had some journalist claim that the parties were all still talking, but now they've had the rejection. Where's the positivity? I'm desperate to get some of it. Agree. PL officials have had several opportunities to get this done, but they have been adamant in making sure it doesn't. They don't want it, so unless PIF take them to court, it's not happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 To all of those convinced this is going to happen, I have a question. What's it going to take for you to admit it's over? 1. Consortium media statement? 2. An appeal which is then rejected again? 3. Failed legal action after a rejected appeal? We've now had a statement from PIF, a statement from Staveley, communication from the Rueben's, communication from the PL, a statement from the club saying it's been rejected. On the flip side we've had some journalist claim that the parties were all still talking, but now they've had the rejection. Where's the positivity? I'm desperate to get some of it. Agree. PL officials have had several opportunities to get this done, but they have been adamant in making sure it doesn't. They don't want it, so unless PIF take them to court, it's not happening. PIF can’t take them to court, only Ashley can, I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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