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Will the takeover be complete by this summer?  

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  1. 1. Will the takeover be complete by this summer?

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19 minutes ago, FloydianMag said:

Intentionally leaking stuff probably.

But why if Hoffmann and Masters are willing to do the deal with no exposure? Is it an insurance policy to keep them honest? 

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such an easy first press conference..

We're delighted to be here as the new owners of NUFC and have some really special plans for the club, the city and the region.

We've been clear from the fist day that we started planning this project that Rafa is the man we see leading the club and as such we'd like to put forward our gratitude to Ste..

 

(whispers into ear, nods)

 

Fuck off Steve 

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9 minutes ago, TRon said:

But why if Hoffmann and Masters are willing to do the deal with no exposure? Is it an insurance policy to keep them honest? 

Do we know for certain that Masters and Hoffman are willing to do the do the deal? I suspect it’s applying a little pressure on them to allow the takeover. Clearly things appear to be ramping up.

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55 minutes ago, RS said:

Bruce been given the green light to recruit. 

Charnley will give him the list of PL released players and tell him "We'll try and get you any player(s) you want off this list"

Steve:

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47 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

Charnley will give him the list of PL released players and tell him "We'll try and get you any player(s) you want off this list"

Steve:

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Tragedy is that this is probably not far from the truth...

Not sure if El Mohammedy was released, but would not be remotely surprised if he was part of next seasons squad 

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You can see on that photo where he is trying to insert the pencil. Mike looks like he is struggling with his.

 

 

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Ben's been speaking again about the ongoing process tonight for anyone interested. It's live atm but please though listen with an open mind because he's just another perspective in this long and drawn-out, painful process. If it was so easy, as he's said before on Twitter, it would have already happened. Goes with Edwards to a certain extent, but we seem to know his motivations much more. Cracking thumbnail too! :lol:

 

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If anyone thinks Bruce will be doing anything but eating for the next 3 weeks they must be mad, that scouty fella might do a bit fishing but Ashley won't spend a nut whilst the takeover is in the pipeline.

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Much better Q&A with Jacobs, actually allowing him the opportunity to answer the questions put to him, rather than just talking over him about a letter.

Really insightful, thought it was interesting that PIF have said they’ll walk away for good if arbitration fails. 

Also found the explanation of arbitration helpful. They’re not arbitrating the separation per se, but they are arbitrating whether the PL’s O&D test is robust enough to make a judgement about separation in the first place.

Basically an argument about the word ‘control’ as the PL’s test doesn’t define it properly.

Some really good answers too about why the fake ITKs on Twitter are full of bollocks and why particular rules didn’t apply - simple terms, because the consortium  never forced the PL into a corner and PIF publicly withdrew too soon.

Interesting that Jacobs has no idea which way it’ll go, which again adds evidence to his credibility. As he says, all we can do is W A I T until the arbitration ruling.

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3 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Can't believe anyone is giving Bein Jacobs any credit. He's a slimy no mark cunt doing what he can to get involved in this to make a living. 

:lol: 

Aye. Let’s do away with credible people presenting a credible take on the situation and move to the other thread and see what The Sun has to say.

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7 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

:lol: 

Aye. Let’s do away with credible people presenting a credible take on the situation and move to the other thread and see what The Sun has to say.

He came in to this process antagonising the shit out of NUFC fans, calling us worse than shite for wanting blood money in our club. Then he realised he could make some good money of his own (off the back of bloody money as the story doesn't exist without KSA) and become relevant (well he saw a dentist, a lawyer & a Self promoter doing it so why not) if he toned it down and changed tact. That is exactly what he's done and its shameful you sit there allowing him to influence your thoughts and try and pass it off on here as he's some messiah of truth. He's a con artist and you are the old lady thinking she's in love. 

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He mentioned in that podcast that the reason he's so invested is because it's his niche. He can add to the discussions because of his reporting and sources in the MIddle East accumulated over something like 7 years. He mentioned a Leeds takeover in 2014 involving GFH in 2012 which went pear shaped. "(David) Haigh was convicted of fraud charges in Dubai and spent 22-months in prison, where he claims he was tortured and raped. He is a campaigner for human rights and justice in the UAE, specifically on unfair trials, torture, Interpol and extraditions." 

Never treat anything isolated as gospel but use the common ground across different reports if they're so conflicting to build up a picture of how you interpret news

 

 

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If Jacobs gets told something from the buying side, it's only tweeted by him attached to some negative spin from bein/PL. 

Each to their own but lawyer shell has got as much correct as him. 

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12 minutes ago, Dokko said:

He came in to this process antagonising the shit out of NUFC fans, calling us worse than shite for wanting blood money in our club. Then he realised he could make some good money of his own (off the back of bloody money as the story doesn't exist without KSA) and become relevant (well he saw a dentist, a lawyer & a Self promoter doing it so why not) if he toned it down and changed tact. That is exactly what he's done and its shameful you sit there allowing him to influence your thoughts and try and pass it off on here as he's some messiah of truth. He's a con artist and you are the old lady thinking she's in love. 

Well, that’s not what he said at all. But okay.

Secondly, I have no issues with having an open mind and listening to thoughts from many people. He made some really good points today, with seemingly good information to back it up.

If Keith could do the same, maybe I’d listen to him more. But all he’s done recently is bang on about a fairly irrelevant letter and abuse anyone who disagrees with him.

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Also found the explanation of arbitration helpful. They’re not arbitrating the separation per se, but they are arbitrating whether the PL’s O&D test is robust enough to make a judgement about separation in the first place.

Oh dear. Considering that Beloff was the one who came up with the changes to the test I'd say that this confirms which way he will be leaning.

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https://jusmundi.com/en/document/decision/en-newcastle-united-fc-limited-v-football-association-premier-league-limited-judgment-of-the-united-kingdom-high-court-of-justice-2021-ewhc-349-wednesday-24th-february-2021

Paragraph 67:

NUFC maintains that the scope of the arbitration is wider than the "Director" issue. I do not accept that to be so. 

None of the facts and matters referred to in paragraphs 8 and 17 of NUFC's skeleton submissions engage in any relevant way with Section F of PLL's Rules or with the issues that the 2017 Advice was concerned with. Section F of the Rules is not material in the circumstances to the true construction of the definitions within Section A for the reasons already explained in paragraphs 38-40 of the judgment. 

 The arbitration is concerned ultimately with and only with the applicability of the definitions in Section A to KSA.

Because the advice was related to section F of the O+D test rather than A, which applies to this arbitration the grounds of bias are dismissed - even if it's also mentioned a big oversight not telling Newcastle beforehand! 

Paragraph 59:

"Notwithstanding my conclusion that the failure of the second defendant to set out this request in correspondence copied to all parties was an error of judgment, the only relevant question that arises is whether the fair-minded and informed observer, having considered the facts, would infer a real risk of bias from this error. In my judgment such an observer having all the attributes referred to in the authorities would not have come to that conclusion. "

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Much better Q&A with Jacobs, actually allowing him the opportunity to answer the questions put to him, rather than just talking over him about a letter.

Really insightful, thought it was interesting that PIF have said they’ll walk away for good if arbitration fails. 

Also found the explanation of arbitration helpful. They’re not arbitrating the separation per se, but they are arbitrating whether the PL’s O&D test is robust enough to make a judgement about separation in the first place.

Basically an argument about the word ‘control’ as the PL’s test doesn’t define it properly.

Some really good answers too about why the fake ITKs on Twitter are full of bollocks and why particular rules didn’t apply - simple terms, because the consortium  never forced the PL into a corner and PIF publicly withdrew too soon.

Interesting that Jacobs has no idea which way it’ll go, which again adds evidence to his credibility. As he says, all we can do is W A I T until the arbitration ruling.

Yeah, it was a lot better hearing him actually being allowed to answer, even if some disagree with what he has to say. 

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