xLiaaamx Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Gunna need to be doing a lot of Portion Control if Bruce is still here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, morpeth mag said: I am concerned; but not that concerned that I would boycott the club shop. Seems I'm a typical fan. I'll start being concerned once all these outraged people, delete Facebook, delete twitter, delete disney plus, stop using uber, cancel there BT sports and stop watching formula 1. Once all these completely outraged by our takeover people do all that, I might show some concern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Pleased to see The Athletic doing a good job of revealing the breadth of opinion across the fanbase when it comes to the more controversial aspects of the takeover (not being sarcastic): https://theathletic.com/2881976/2021/10/12/newcastle-united-survey-ashley-reign-disastrous-fans-want-conte-and-concerns-over-saudi-arabias-human-rights-record?source=user-shared-article 83% of respondents said they were concerned about the Saudi human rights record and 29% said they would think twice about spending in the club shop. Just a guess but I’d assume the average subscriber to The Athletic might be better informed on things like human rights in Saudi Arabia than the average fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I don't get the "Its not the same when they fund Twitter etc, that's in the background and silent" So what you mean is, you're fine when its swept under the rug, and you can ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist to feel good about yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, xLiaaamx said: I don't get the "Its not the same when they fund Twitter etc, that's in the background and silent" So what you mean is, you're fine when its swept under the rug, and you can ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist to feel good about yourself. It's not the same because... ITS NOT THE SAME. As in they are putting their money in Twitter or Uber for completely different reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Kasper said: Just a guess but I’d assume the average subscriber to The Athletic might be better informed on things like human rights in Saudi Arabia than the average fan. That's definitely true but anything to get the message out there that not all Geordies are horse-punching maniacs that love MBS is good with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, Kasper said: It's not the same because... ITS NOT THE SAME. As in they are putting their money in Twitter or Uber for completely different reasons. It is kind of the same, they are investing Saudi money into a business, which is what has happened here at our club. Again I don’t - and maybe this is just my way of reckoning with it all - consider our club to be state owned, just funded by Saudi money. Saudi money ours through every economy system in the world and tens of thousands of business, where we are concerned that money just so happens to have given them an 80% slice of the pie as opposed to say a 2% slice (or whatever the figure is) of the Uber (whoever) pie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Does anyone know which famous philosopher decided how much of a club someone can own before fans have to prostrate themselves on the internet. And what percentage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Billy Pilgrim said: Does anyone know which famous philosopher decided how much of a club someone can own before fans have to prostrate themselves on the internet. And what percentage. Whatever size DeMarco cuts his bread in to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, HTT II said: It is kind of the same, they are investing Saudi money into a business, which is what has happened here at our club. Again I don’t - and maybe this is just my way of reckoning with it all - consider our club to be state owned, just funded by Saudi money. Saudi money ours through every economy system in the world and tens of thousands of business, where we are concerned that money just so happens to have given them an 80% slice of the pie as opposed to say a 2% slice (or whatever the figure is) of the Uber (whoever) pie. The difference is that they have completely different goals when they buy Newcastle United and when they buy shares from Uber. I dont understand the mental gymnastics around this. Can't we just accept the truth, take the critisism and get on with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Isn't the point that it's Saudi blood money, not that their goal for each is different? Why does that change anything about where the money comes from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Kasper said: The difference is that they have completely different goals when they buy Newcastle United and when they buy shares from Uber. I dont understand the mental gymnastics around this. Can't we just accept the truth, take the critisism and get on with it? Agree with the second part, but the fact is that it doesn't matter if the goals are different, it's the same money being used by the same fund. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMack Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Is this not meant to be the celebration thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 1 minute ago, et tu brute said: Agree with the second part, but the fact is that it doesn't matter if the goals are different, it's the same money being used by the same fund. Of course it does. If they're using the good name of Newcastle United to try and improve their international reputation, that's not the same as investing in a company to make a few quid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Dont feel comfortable with anyone telling me how I should feel about something and there is a thread to discuss the implications of this ownership which I stay clear of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, kisearch said: Isn't the point that it's Saudi blood money, not that their goal for each is different? Why does that change anything about where the money comes from? No that's not the point. I'm seriously amazed that so many people seem to be confused about what the issue is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Kasper said: No that's not the point. I'm seriously amazed that so many people seem to be confused about what the issue is. Feel free to discuss it to the appropriate thread. Edited October 12, 2021 by cubaricho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Oh great, I've found the virtue signalling thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kasper said: No that's not the point. I'm seriously amazed that so many people seem to be confused about what the issue is. No, it's your point. It might not be other people's points. I see just as many people saying it's immoral money as those saying the purpose is the difference. Edited October 12, 2021 by Hhtoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Kasper said: No that's not the point. I'm seriously amazed that so many people seem to be confused about what the issue is. Not confused at all, just don't agree, but I'll leave it at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, et tu brute said: Not confused at all, just don't agree, but I'll leave it at that. Simple as that really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Uber was not sportswashing, no. That is a little bit different. It was, however a $3.5 billion investment--in an investment round, not buying equity on a market--in which PIF got a board seat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Kasper said: The difference is that they have completely different goals when they buy Newcastle United and when they buy shares from Uber. I dont understand the mental gymnastics around this. Can't we just accept the truth, take the critisism and get on with it? Obviously they have many and different goals and what they want in return for investing Saudi money into businesses the world over, but if there is to be an outcry about human rights atrocities and how bad Saudi money is for NUFC, there needs to be an overall outcry full stop. I’m not having some sports journalist declare NUFC as the moral base in which to be judged on over Saudi atrocities just because their money is being invested into something we have zero choice or a say in. Where were they while SA were carrying out evil acts? Where were they when Ashley’s employment practices were fucking over his workforce with their moral crusade? They can get to fuck! Uber can say no to Saudi investment, the U.K. can stop dealing with them and David Squires and co might want to look at where some of their salaries can be traced back to. We can say no and stop supporting the club, but why should we, why should we be the ones who are held accountable for any of this shit which again, has fuck all to do with us. And yes it’s good to have a discussion, but we can’t say no to what we are, which is supporters of a football club we formed and our own money, not Saudi money, has kept it going for over 120 years. It’s our club, the PL and our government and the game has allowed Saudi money to buy a stake in the business of our club, the game, the sport. The world has allowed SA to get away with and continue to commit human atrocities, not some Geordies from Newcastle. Judge them, ask them questions, take the moral high ground to them journos, fellow fans, and whoever else has had and will no doubt have their say, not some Geordies just supporting their club. Just look at the scenes when it was announced and how it’s being turned into Geordies are happy with boood money from Saudi, that was a celebration of Ashley finally selling up and fuck all to do with SA, AS or JR and their money. Edited October 12, 2021 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 When someone doesn't agree with me, I will just insist that they aren't smart to understand what I am saying. That will work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Just now, STM said: When someone doesn't agree with me, I will just insist that they aren't smart to understand what I am saying. That will work. That’s how this place has worked for years. Stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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