midds Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 It's becoming increasingly obvious that in order to catch up to the numbers game that's going on that we need/must to do a few things in order to bridge the gap. 3 big moves imo: Sponsor everything - the training kit, the training ground, as much as possible. Get as much into the club as possible. Don't care how daft we go - sponsor the fucking frying pans if necessary, max that shit out. New stadium - this one is the major kick in the bollocks. Most fans are attached to SJP but it's just not going to be possible to catch up AND stay at SJP. I love the bones of the place but it's an old-school football ground built to host football matches. The other 340 days of the year where there isn't a football game on it's just sitting there hosting the odd tour or the odd function or whatever. Selling big players - We've got some absolute gems in the squad. Isak, Bruno, Gordon followed closely by Botman, Barnes, Tonali, Joelinton, Willock, Tino & Hall but after that there's little else of real value. We will need to sell a few of that lot in the very near future in order to be able to spend more and add to that list. It's a gradual process but we'll need to bite the bullet eventually. Invest well, buy young, pack out the academy and develop them and add to that pool is going to take a decade tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 You forgot fleecing the fans with £80+ tickets. That'll massively help apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) Listened to the athletic podcast about us and it was quite surprising tbh. Waugh and Ornstein between them were very surface level. No discussion on how ridiculous the rules are, we were slammed for our treatment of Minteh and Ornstein was parroting the north London line of well maybe we should check the communication of clubs involved in these deals it’s really alarming to me that the football media are happy to parrot this stuff, monitor clubs communication ffs can you even imagine? Also Waugh talking and parroting about cashflow? I don’t think that’s an issue for us so please don’t parrot it. We are restricted due to rules which make no sense and diminish the sporting integrity of the league that is the only reason. On a separate un related note, the FT yesterday said he the football regulator bill will be passed by labour pretty quickly so it will be interested if that impacts things. Edited July 3 by r0cafella Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) I've never known them be so determined about anything (world cup bids, respecting officials, punishing clubs for trying to form other leagues, genuinely protecting clubs from doing a Leeds) as they are about wanting to maintain the status quo and deduct points from and punish other clubs - just for trying to compete. They'd sooner see half the league on minus points, clubs qualifying for the PL/CL and weakening themselves and creating new rules bi-monthly to offset it than allow it to happen. Edited July 3 by Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Given the money that Manure are getting for front of shirt and lack of CL, I’d say there’s wiggle room for a bit more money from SELA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 20 minutes ago, mattypnufc said: Given the money that Manure are getting for front of shirt and lack of CL, I’d say there’s wiggle room for a bit more money from SELA. Add on that Spurs are in their 2nd consecutive year without Champions League football as well. We could easily go back and say this is FMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Just now, Stifler said: Add on that Spurs are in their 2nd consecutive year without Champions League football as well. We could easily go back and say this is FMV. If we have a contract with Sela which we do how do you propose we break it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: If we have a contract with Sela which we do how do you propose we break it? I’m not proposing that we break it. I’m just saying next time a contract comes around, we should be able push for more, because other ‘top 6’ clubs are getting it and for a couple of seasons at least during said contracts, they were playing/finishing on par with or below us. Edited July 3 by Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Just now, Stifler said: I’m not propping we break it. I’m just saying next time a contract comes around, we should be able push for more, because other ‘top 6’ clubs are getting it and for a couple of seasons at least during said contracts, they were playing/finishing on par with or below us. Next time round we will definitely be asking more and have metrics to back it up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 15 minutes ago, Stifler said: I’m not proposing that we break it. I’m just saying next time a contract comes around, we should be able push for more, because other ‘top 6’ clubs are getting it and for a couple of seasons at least during said contracts, they were playing/finishing on par with or below us. Contracts for sponsorship can be renegotiated at anytime surely? The club could enter negotiations with Sela now to increase the annual amount if both parties agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 1 minute ago, FloydianMag said: Contracts for sponsorship can be renegotiated at anytime surely? The club could enter negotiations with Sela now to increase the annual amount if both parties agree. Yeah probably but it would run foul of related party transaction rules because it makes no commercial sense for the sponsor to renegotiate such an agreement upwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetsbaiaIsBald Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: Contracts for sponsorship can be renegotiated at anytime surely? The club could enter negotiations with Sela now to increase the annual amount if both parties agree. Yeah increase the money add a year to the term. Both parties get a win. Do that every year. You could even make the extra year option just for sela to exercise. Edited July 3 by KetsbaiaIsBald Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamPS Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 18 hours ago, r0cafella said: Listened to the athletic podcast about us and it was quite surprising tbh. Waugh and Ornstein between them were very surface level. No discussion on how ridiculous the rules are, we were slammed for our treatment of Minteh and Ornstein was parroting the north London line of well maybe we should check the communication of clubs involved in these deals it’s really alarming to me that the football media are happy to parrot this stuff, monitor clubs communication ffs can you even imagine? Also Waugh talking and parroting about cashflow? I don’t think that’s an issue for us so please don’t parrot it. We are restricted due to rules which make no sense and diminish the sporting integrity of the league that is the only reason. On a separate un related note, the FT yesterday said he the football regulator bill will be passed by labour pretty quickly so it will be interested if that impacts things. The regulator is a terrible idea - there is already the FA, the last thing football needs is some minister adding even more rules on for clubs to obey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kocunar Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 (edited) 14 hours ago, r0cafella said: Yeah probably but it would run foul of related party transaction rules because it makes no commercial sense for the sponsor to renegotiate such an agreement upwards. Adidas and Jeep did it for Juventus when Ronaldo signed for them. Edited July 3 by kocunar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 29 minutes ago, WilliamPS said: The regulator is a terrible idea - there is already the FA, the last thing football needs is some minister adding even more rules on for clubs to obey Perfectly happy with it myself. Football clubs are community assets, and have shown that they can’t self-govern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 44 minutes ago, WilliamPS said: The regulator is a terrible idea - there is already the FA, the last thing football needs is some minister adding even more rules on for clubs to obey Disagree, the PL is not fit to govern itself. It's also not a minister, it'll be an independent regulator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 As long as it's not a fucking Spurs fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 The Premier league chief was vetted by the big six. They decide the rules and the Premier league abides by them or atleast brings these to the table to vote on. A independent regulator wouldn't be swayed can only be better in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 3 minutes ago, andycap said: The Premier league chief was vetted by the big six. They decide the rules and the Premier league abides by them or atleast brings these to the table to vote on. A independent regulator wouldn't be swayed can only be better in the long run. Any regulator would only have a budget of £10 million……….tiny by PL standards, not sure what we can expect from them. https://www.aoshearman.com/en/insights/moving-the-goalposts-football-governance-bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 5 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: Any regulator would only have a budget of £10 million……….tiny by PL standards, not sure what we can expect from them. https://www.aoshearman.com/en/insights/moving-the-goalposts-football-governance-bill Aye, the budget is definitely an eyebrow raiser, but I assume it wouldn't need to be that big. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 I read that prospect of an independent regulator is the reason for the Premier League starting to get tough with clubs as they have been trying to show they can self govern as they are very against a regulator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoob Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Like smearing shit all over the walls to prove that they can look after the place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 3 hours ago, kocunar said: Adidas and Jeep did it for Juventus when Ronaldo signed for them. Neither of those are related parties Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 5 hours ago, r0cafella said: Neither of those are related parties Jeep definitely are Fiat own (or did own) Jeep and the founders of Fiat (and still large investors) are the Agnelli family, who own Juventus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 10 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Jeep definitely are Fiat own (or did own) Jeep and the founders of Fiat (and still large investors) are the Agnelli family, who own Juventus Ah true, but not really relevant as I don’t think Italy has such stupid rules as us. The original point was why don’t we do it with Sela. To which I stated we probably can’t as it would likely fail FMV test as it doesn’t make commercial sense (unless it’s a provision in the current contract). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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