El Prontonise Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 2 minutes ago, Danh1 said: Aye, if anything you’d expect Mitchell and Eales to be given the autonomy to decide on who the manager is. Would be shocked if we don’t give Howe time. Haven’t seen anything to suggest that PIF or Eales panic (aside from last weekend) They won't panic but I think Howe has to deliver top 4/5 next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis H Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Had to double check the date in the article because it sounded far too long ago but it is indeed nearly 7 years since she first appeared at that Liverpool game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 Even a year ago Amanda was talking as if the people she brought in (Darren, Dan, etc) were there to help her. Just feels strange - maybe i am reading too much into it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 6 minutes ago, El Prontonise said: They won't panic but I think Howe has to deliver top 4/5 next season. Depends on the circumstances. I think those in charge understand about last season and how much was out of his control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 1 hour ago, duo said: I still don't understand why people thought it was inevitable that they would leave - Amanda was quite clear when they bought the club that they were in it for the long run It just won't be the same - they were just brilliant ambassadors for the club. Made the club feel connected with the fans. The “we” is all of them / PIF. And it was inevitable because of the vast difference in resources between PCP and PIF, the nature of her role, and (possibly) her on-going legal losses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 I hope they will still attend some games even if it is just for the London games. Seems strange after all that effort to buy the club and emotional involvement for them to cut ties completely. It would be nice for them to have some sort of honorary position that keeps them connected to the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Alan Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 18 minutes ago, Wallace said: It would be nice for them to have some sort of honorary position that keeps them connected to the club. Right wing and centre half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 59 minutes ago, Wallace said: I hope they will still attend some games even if it is just for the London games. Seems strange after all that effort to buy the club and emotional involvement for them to cut ties completely. It would be nice for them to have some sort of honorary position that keeps them connected to the club. Guess it's just their job but I'm certain they did get emotionally attached to the club and city. PCP never had the funds to keep up with PIF and Reuben's but they'll be handsomely rewarded for their role in brokering the deal. I'm not sure what we are valued at right now but it has to have at least doubled since the takeover. At £600m they would walk away with a ~£10m profit, £800m valuation and it's over £20m even with the dilution. This is all speculation but IMO their 10% was just a PR trick to get more acceptable faces to lead the takeover and the first years after it for both the media and the public. They probably would have liked to stay in some role after falling in love but it's impossible if PIF are serious about the new training centre and a new/renovated stadium and the money is most likely meaningful to them after the legal battles. Thanks for everything and no matter what happens in the future, we'll be in a better place than before Staveley first entered the stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 13 minutes ago, Pata said: Guess it's just their job but I'm certain they did get emotionally attached to the club and city. PCP never had the funds to keep up with PIF and Reuben's but they'll be handsomely rewarded for their role in brokering the deal. I'm not sure what we are valued at right now but it has to have at least doubled since the takeover. At £600m they would walk away with a ~£10m profit, £800m valuation and it's over £20m even with the dilution. This is all speculation but IMO their 10% was just a PR trick to get more acceptable faces to lead the takeover and the first years after it for both the media and the public. They probably would have liked to stay in some role after falling in love but it's impossible if PIF are serious about the new training centre and a new/renovated stadium and the money is most likely meaningful to them after the legal battles. Thanks for everything and no matter what happens in the future, we'll be in a better place than before Staveley first entered the stadium. How much are even valued at right now? Can’t see it being more than 600m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 3 hours ago, duo said: I still don't understand why people thought it was inevitable that they would leave - Amanda was quite clear when they bought the club that they were in it for the long run It just won't be the same - they were just brilliant ambassadors for the club. Made the club feel connected with the fans. She’s talked before about her stake being diluted. I doubt she is surprised or upset about any of this - she will have achieved what she got into this for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Just now, Jack27 said: How much are even valued at right now? Can’t see it being more than 600m That's double what they paid. I find it hard to believe that a EPL team that finished 7th and 4th the last two years carries that value. Now I know fuck all but it seems to me it's more than that. Some foundations are in place for someone if they sold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 5 minutes ago, Jack27 said: How much are even valued at right now? Can’t see it being more than 600m 2 minutes ago, McDog said: That's double what they paid. I find it hard to believe that a EPL team that finished 7th and 4th the last two years carries that value. Now I know fuck all but it seems to me it's more than that. Some foundations are in place for someone if they sold. It will be comfortably double what was paid. NUFC’s price was already undercooked due to poor commercial performance. The agreed price for Everton last November was £550m. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Just now, McDog said: That's double what they paid. I find it hard to believe that a EPL team that finished 7th and 4th the last two years carries that value. Now I know fuck all but it seems to me it's more than that. Some foundations are in place for someone if they sold. Agree, if a bobbins club on the verge of relegation was £300m, £600m for the current NUFC feels low. I know it's only Transfermarkt and some German fella in a basement but just our playing squad is valued at roughly ~£600m there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: It will be comfortably double what was paid. NUFC’s price was already undercooked due to poor commercial performance. The agreed price for Everton last November was £550m. I stated that poorly. I meant that also is way undervalued. I doubt 600M is accurate because they are worth more. 900M? 1B? They have the foundations in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Just now, Pata said: Agree, if a bobbins club on the verge of relegation was £300m, £600m for the current NUFC feels low. I know it's only Transfermarkt and some German fella in a basement but just our playing squad is valued at roughly ~£600m there. I stated it very poorly like I always do. I think PIF could get alot more than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GideonShandy Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Forbes says $795 million i.e. 618 million pounds https://www.forbes.com/lists/soccer-valuations/ Transfermarkt says 657 million euros i.e. 554 million pounds https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1 Sportico says $700 million i.e. 544 million pounds https://d3data.sportico.com/SoccerValuations/SoccerValuationsList.html No idea how reliable those figures are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Ultimately her job is to be the “cover” of the ultimate owner, Al-Rumayyan. The takeover was a very difficult project. Just think about the complication of PIF / Al-Rumayyan, the hardship of dealing with Ashley, and connection / relationship with other owners in EPL, and to the govern bodies etc…I think it’s fair to say without Staveley, the takeover won’t come true. Likely it would have collapsed in the middle of the process. Even though Al-Runayyan has his own issues, I do think Newcastle United has never been in such a good condition that we have no worries re our financial status nor the ambition of our management. They do want to win. We are edging closer and closer to those trophies. Other parties are trying to stop it from happening but we all have faith. Without Staveley we won’t be in this position. She deserved all our utmost respect for her work done for us, even if it’s just part of her job. She has done her part and now likely she has to move onto other projects, being the broker of Al-Rumayyan again (my wild guess only) We will all miss her. Thank you Staveley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 5 hours ago, Jack27 said: How much are even valued at right now? Can’t see it being more than 600m 721m and 72p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 8 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Hopefully the club will be run sensibly as it has been so far, with the relevant executives knowing their stuff and having autonomy. We don't have any reason to think someone from PIF is going to be on the phone asking for the manager to be sacked. We don't? Isn't that how major shareholders who are actively invested should act? Not sacking Howe obviously but the ultimate shot-caller? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Prontonise Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, GideonShandy said: Forbes says $795 million i.e. 618 million pounds https://www.forbes.com/lists/soccer-valuations/ Transfermarkt says 657 million euros i.e. 554 million pounds https://www.transfermarkt.us/premier-league/marktwerteverein/wettbewerb/GB1 Sportico says $700 million i.e. 544 million pounds https://d3data.sportico.com/SoccerValuations/SoccerValuationsList.html No idea how reliable those figures are. They are all correct and also wrong. Our valuation is what someone is prepared to pay, so it's subjective. Edited July 11 by El Prontonise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Based on the articles from both Caulkin and Waugh, it seems like it was mutually agreed. Caulkin mentioned the "too many cooks" line while Waugh states that Ashworth felt they were too involved and now with Eales and Michell in place, it seems like a natural time to part ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Just now, The Prophet said: Based on the articles from both Caulkin and Waugh, it seems like it was mutually agreed. Caulkin mentioned the "too many cooks" line while Waugh states that Ashworth felt they were too involved and now with Eales and Michell in place, it seems like a natural time to part ways. Wonder if their departure made Mitchell change his mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Wonder if their departure made Mitchell change his mind. Highly unlikely, I think it’s just the right time. Ultimately they can’t invest to the levels needed and if they keep diluting the shares they are just further delaying actually profiting and also incurring further interest and risk. The club is an investment for them; sure they fell in love and all that but the prime motivator was profit which they will have handsomely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Wonder if their departure made Mitchell change his mind. It crossed my mind as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 4 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Highly unlikely, I think it’s just the right time. Ultimately they can’t invest to the levels needed and if they keep diluting the shares they are just further delaying actually profiting and also incurring further interest and risk. The club is an investment for them; sure they fell in love and all that but the prime motivator was profit which they will have handsomely. Timing still seems a little strange to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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