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[JigsawGoesToPieces]

7 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Wrt to DFO, the athletic have reported that Eddie has had a hand in picking him  

 

This is a problem though, Eddie shouldn't really have any say in his boss.

 

PIF need to decide the overall strategy and appoint into the CEO and SD roles and let them get on with it, otherwise we are going to end up in a merry go round of SD who leave because they cant actually do their job because the manager has too much influence.

[JigsawGoesToPieces]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I don't think we miss Stavely per se, but we do miss a conduit between PIF and the club. It's absolutely essential the new CEO is able to open the lines of communication.

 

Yeah, the CEO will report directly to Yasir as Chairman so there needs to be an open line of communication between them

[r0cafella]

7 minutes ago, JigsawGoesToPieces said:

 

This is a problem though, Eddie shouldn't really have any say in his boss.

 

PIF need to decide the overall strategy and appoint into the CEO and SD roles and let them get on with it, otherwise we are going to end up in a merry go round of SD who leave because they cant actually do their job because the manager has too much influence.

This is my position too but I do understand why people may feel the other way, Eddie had been incredible for us. 

[The College Dropout]

35 minutes ago, Ben said:

 

Powerful as fuck though with a lot of capital at their disposal.

And don’t use that power (as far as we can see). 

 

5 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I don't think we miss Stavely per se, but we do miss a conduit between PIF and the club. It's absolutely essential the new CEO is able to open the lines of communication.

Nah we do miss her. She was influential to PIF and was running the club in reality. Having relationships with everyone from Yasir to players. She had a clear vision she was working towards and mobilised every part of the club in that direction.  
 

I don’t expect any new CEO to have the power or influence on PIF that Staveley did - castrating them from the jump. 
 

I also don’t like how she’s the only person blamed for the PSR issues.  The leadership and board was largely in place including Eales and Yasir. Why weren’t they on top of the numbers? It shows how hands off PIF are/were and how little influence Eales has.  
 

When Staveley left - Eales responsibilities grew but his influence and power didn’t.   
 

I’ll only say this once today - we’ll only be as good as PIF are determined to succeed and their competence. Unless a new CEO can come in and change the demands and get PIF to bend rules, they’ll be limited. 

[The College Dropout]

Eddie worked well enough with Ashworth. The core issue is the clubs aims and resources don’t align.  
 

Eddie will have been told he needs to qualify for Europe every season imo. Eales suggested that a lot. Them he needs a ready made team for now. If we are rebuilding and allowed a season or two to get back - I think Eddie would be happy to bring in players required to develop. He did that at Bournemouth. 

[TK-421]

10 minutes ago, JigsawGoesToPieces said:

 

This is a problem though, Eddie shouldn't really have any say in his boss.

 

PIF need to decide the overall strategy and appoint into the CEO and SD roles and let them get on with it, otherwise we are going to end up in a merry go round of SD who leave because they cant actually do their job because the manager has too much influence.

Been thinking something similar last few weeks, the way this window has gone.

Now I'm not suggesting Eddie should go, the job he's done has been brilliant.

But, could PIF look at the situation (if they are even bothered) and wonder if a bigger 'name' manger/head coach was in place, we'd be more of a draw for players?

Regardless of what appears to be a bit of a circus off the pitch currently, if we go in for a player and they are playing for Eddie Howe who may be relatively unknown to them, or a 'name' head coach (e.g a Guardiola, Slot for example) then PIF may start to think they may be more inclined to join.

Again, not suggesting we get rid of Howe, and a lot will depend on the hopefully impending CEO and SD appointments and how things move forward, but wouldn't rule out PIF thinking a wholesale change of things may be needed after those appointments, so everyone can/is working together. 

[TRon]

13 hours ago, duo said:

I disagree - I wish Darren Eales well but I was never impressed with him as our CEO.  And his appointments such as Mitchel were a disaster. 

 

 

He was well regarded at the time generally though, although more for his financial acumen that football. He brought Mitchell with him, and having them both basically leave at the same time has put us in a shit position. 

[macphisto]

21 minutes ago, TK-421 said:

Been thinking something similar last few weeks, the way this window has gone.

Now I'm not suggesting Eddie should go, the job he's done has been brilliant.

But, could PIF look at the situation (if they are even bothered) and wonder if a bigger 'name' manger/head coach was in place, we'd be more of a draw for players?

Regardless of what appears to be a bit of a circus off the pitch currently, if we go in for a player and they are playing for Eddie Howe who may be relatively unknown to them, or a 'name' head coach (e.g a Guardiola, Slot for example) then PIF may start to think they may be more inclined to join.

Again, not suggesting we get rid of Howe, and a lot will depend on the hopefully impending CEO and SD appointments and how things move forward, but wouldn't rule out PIF thinking a wholesale change of things may be needed after those appointments, so everyone can/is working together. 

Slot????? How's he a big name😂? Same for Maresca and Amorin. Not one player would have turned us down because of Howe. Indeed, I imagine he has a good reputation emongst players as they've all bought into his style of football. 

 

The reason they've gone elsewhere is mainly because of money and I suspect they have seen we're not following the same trajectory as Chelsea, PSG, Man City, etc. Secondary factors would be the training ground and location. 

 

In all of my time following the club, we've never had a problem signing players when the money is there and we're willing to pay the going rate. Even under Ashley, where Charnley was criticised a lot, as soon as we had money and were prepared to pay the going rate we had no problem securing Ritchie and Gayle which were big deals for the Championship. 

[The College Dropout]

All of our hires have been "best in class" imo. Some have been bad fits or not worked out but we always hire reputable names.

[TRon]

1 hour ago, macphisto said:

Slot????? How's he a big name😂? Same for Maresca and Amorin. Not one player would have turned us down because of Howe. Indeed, I imagine he has a good reputation emongst players as they've all bought into his style of football. 

 

The reason they've gone elsewhere is mainly because of money and I suspect they have seen we're not following the same trajectory as Chelsea, PSG, Man City, etc. Secondary factors would be the training ground and location. 

 

In all of my time following the club, we've never had a problem signing players when the money is there and we're willing to pay the going rate. Even under Ashley, where Charnley was criticised a lot, as soon as we had money and were prepared to pay the going rate we had no problem securing Ritchie and Gayle which were big deals for the Championship. 

 

 

If we were able to follow that same trajectory like Chelsea, Man City and PSG, you can bet your bottom dollar that we'd be a lot more successful chasing top player signatures than we have been. Bigger salaries and knowing you are joining a team that is going to win stuff is what every aspiring footballer wants to be a part of. The cartel know this, and that is why rules were brought in to stop us dead in our tracks before we built any momentum. 

[Fak]

[JT24]

1 minute ago, Fak said:

PIF-funded but independently run doesn't have the same ring to it, I suppose. Bad optics all around.

 

Mind I'm sure if we had more dross to sell to them, we would.

What players from our current squad would we be happy with going there v what players from our current squad would they actually want?

[TRon]

1 minute ago, JT24 said:

PIF-funded but independently run doesn't have the same ring to it, I suppose. Bad optics all around.

 

Mind I'm sure if we had more dross to sell to them, we would.

What players from our current squad would we be happy with going there v what players from our current squad would they actually want?

 

We really need to detach from this idea that the SPL is somehow linked to our fortunes. They have their own objectives as a venture, same as any other football league, and the results would be the same whether they owned NUFC or not. 

[alexf]

3 minutes ago, JT24 said:

PIF-funded but independently run doesn't have the same ring to it, I suppose. Bad optics all around.

 

Mind I'm sure if we had more dross to sell to them, we would.

What players from our current squad would we be happy with going there v what players from our current squad would they actually want?

If they would have gone we would have flogged for inflated fees: Miggy, Wilson, Dubravka, Vlachodimos, Targett, Longstaff, Willock etc.

[JT24]

1 minute ago, alexf said:

If they would have gone we would have flogged for inflated fees: Miggy, Wilson, Dubravka, Vlachodimos, Targett, Longstaff, Willock etc.

Miggy - tried, rejected move

Wilson - would have been uproar if we sold him to Saudi without a replacement

Dubravka - tried, club rejected

Vlachodimos - FMV would kill it

Targett - what Saudi club is going to be looking at him?

Longstaff - can't see him agreeing to move there but maybe

Willock - still an active first teamer, constantly injured, 

[alexf]

10 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

The money they have pumped into our current closest rivals Villa is really frustrating however. 

 

Not to mention pumping £80m each into 3 of the teams we are trying to close the gap on. 

 

As I heard that Stefan guy say on talksport, it suggest separation rather than collusion for us and the Saudi's.

[alexf]

1 minute ago, JT24 said:

Miggy - tried, rejected move

Wilson - would have been uproar if we sold him to Saudi without a replacement

Dubravka - tried, club rejected

Vlachodimos - FMV would kill it

Targett - what Saudi club is going to be looking at him?

Longstaff - can't see him agreeing to move there but maybe

Willock - still an active first teamer, constantly injured, 

 

It was a hypothetical. He said which players would we have been happy to lose. 

 

I added in "if they would have gone" because I know the likes of Miggy and others didn't want to go there. 

 

But if there was no fmv restrictions and if PIF were trying to do everything to help us. Then those are the players we would have flogged for inflated fees to allow us buy better. 

 

However unfortunately FMV is a thing so we can't sell anyone for inflated fees as ASM proved. Plus you need the player to be willing to move there aswell. 

[nufc123]

New CEO was reported to be ready before PL start. Lets see if they can do it.

[The Prophet]

1 hour ago, The College Dropout said:

And don’t use that power (as far as we can see). 

 

Nah we do miss her. She was influential to PIF and was running the club in reality. Having relationships with everyone from Yasir to players. She had a clear vision she was working towards and mobilised every part of the club in that direction.  
 

I don’t expect any new CEO to have the power or influence on PIF that Staveley did - castrating them from the jump. 
 

I also don’t like how she’s the only person blamed for the PSR issues.  The leadership and board was largely in place including Eales and Yasir. Why weren’t they on top of the numbers? It shows how hands off PIF are/were and how little influence Eales has.  
 

When Staveley left - Eales responsibilities grew but his influence and power didn’t.   
 

I’ll only say this once today - we’ll only be as good as PIF are determined to succeed and their competence. Unless a new CEO can come in and change the demands and get PIF to bend rules, they’ll be limited. 

 

Stavely was instrumental in the takeover and driving things forward in the months afterwards.

 

PIF took over a shell of a club ran on a skeleton staff. Stavely thrived on that, effectively working as a de-facto Managing Director, driving forward all aspects of the club.

 

The problem is with club becoming bigger and more corporate, that can become a detriment and dare I say with her health condition it simply wasn't sustainable.

 

What we do miss along with her human touch is her ability to engage PIF. Folk seem to forget they are an investment fund and we are a modest investment in an enormous portfolio. By nature we are going to have to cajole them, we don’t have an Exec Chair like Levy for example.

 

It therefore falls on the CEO, they need to be the leader and the conduit to PIF. Earles' leadership style seems to be quite laid back and friendly. It seems that what we require is a more assertive presence when dealing with both PIF and other parties like the Premier League.

[TRon]

24 minutes ago, JT24 said:

Miggy - tried, rejected move

Wilson - would have been uproar if we sold him to Saudi without a replacement

Dubravka - tried, club rejected

Vlachodimos - FMV would kill it

Targett - what Saudi club is going to be looking at him?

Longstaff - can't see him agreeing to move there but maybe

Willock - still an active first teamer, constantly injured, 

 

 

No one should ever go somewhere they don't want to to pursue their profession, but it really is infuriating seeing other clubs manage to offload players in their prime to the Saudi league and cashing in. Darwin Nunez and Jao Felix ffs? Could they really not have found a club in a more competitive European league to rebuild their careers?

 

 

[The College Dropout]

What we miss most is her drive and vision and her ability to get people to buy-in to it.

 

You said it right - we don't have an Exec Chair like Levy... and we are unlikely to get one. That's the core problem. No hired CEO has any leverage to be assertive with PIF or the Premier League. Staveley was and the Reubens are the only likely candidates to be Levy/Parish/Perez like.

 

As shit as the Glazers are. Their strategy is a good one. Ratcliffe and INEOS do numerous things but clearly Man U is a priority. Bringing them in as minority but significant shareholders and handing over football operations was a smart choice. While they do have a new Management team, Ratcliffe is steering the ship. It's his baby and someone with authority and influence is trying. It's not just a Glazer-hired suit. INEOS don't seem particularly competent but it's not the rudderless ship Man U has been for so long. That's what we had with Staveley and that's gone.

 

Much like Man U - if our manager leaves this whole thing will crumble.

 

@The Prophet

[The College Dropout]

Lastly, this is elite European football. If we are to become a dominant force, it's unlikely we will do so by being a low-priority investment by PIF. That's not how this game works. 

[The Prophet]

There's plenty of examples around Europe of successful clubs being ran by a solid executive structure, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

[Ben]

That was quick, take note Pif

[Nucasol]

12 minutes ago, Ben said:

That was quick, take note Pif

Didn’t Ratcliffe cut Ferguson’s ambassador role? Don’t think I’d be so pally with the fucking threadbare skank if he’d done me out of £2.16m a year (according to Google).