The Prophet Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 It is really, really straightforward to go to a match without a tea towel tied to your head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: Why are you persisting? The people from a certain country who now own the club have explained that people from their country won’t like the dressing up thing. They’ve told you that. Maybe it’s time to go ‘yeah ok, sorry, didn’t realise. As we’re decent people we won’t do it again. Context is everything… I don’t think some fans dressing up in this context is racist, culturally inappropriate or ugly and unless you can provide evidence that the Kingdom of SA/the Arab world would wholly disagree, I’ll be content to accept that it’s just harmless stuff from a few delirious fans that, once the novelty wears off, will die off. Again, I’ve noticed the club hasn’t advised fans not to fly a Saudi flag or banner… now that I find ugly and totally inappropriate and offensive to me anyway based on my own moral compas and unhappiness that SA for example commit human atrocities on its citizens. As for the club’s statement, again it’s their way of saying hey, stop criticising us/the club when and if fans turn up dressed up because we’ve stated we would prefer it if they didn’t, let’s not pretend this isn’t some crusade of theirs to stamp out some very weak claim against cultural inappropriateness regarding Saudis and Arabs when they sell alcohol to the very same fans which to a random Saudi would ACTUALLY be culturally inappropriate to them. That and again they haven’t condemned anyone flying a Saudi flag or banner. If it offends you because it may offend others, or you deem it culturally inappropriate or racist or ugly, fair enough, but don’t use it as a stick to beat down some random fans - who aye in an ideal world wouldn’t dress up, in the same way fans wouldn’t sing your support is fucking shit, or in your Liverpool slums - but they shouldn’t just be condemned for simply dressing up. And nor should the club or owners. It’s a big can of worms if so, people find women wearing the hijab offensive, people find women not wearing the hijab offensive. Edited October 20, 2021 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: Covering their arse It literally tells you that’s it’s culturally inappropriate It doesn’t. It’s says it remains a possibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Is this not an issue, though? Referring to, or mimicking, someone’s national dress as a ‘tea towel’? That’s pretty disrespectful in itself. You’re right it is, I’m just paraphrasing, though basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, LFEE said: It doesn’t. It’s says it remains a possibility. I give up. Fucking hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, HTT II said: That and again they haven’t condemned anyone flying a Saudi flag or banner. Good point. As always, it's not what they say, it's more what they don't say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Just now, Thomson Mouse said: I give up. Fucking hell Good was getting tiresome you reading into the way you wanted ? It was just an arse covering exercise. Otherwise the tone would’ve be totally different and a lot firmer. It was just “possibility” and “a risk”. ?♂️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Are we really discussing if it’s a good idea that the club have asked fans not wear religious or regional clothing if they are not pet of that religion or region? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stifler said: Are we really discussing if it’s a good idea that the club have asked fans not wear religious or regional clothing if they are not pet of that religion or region? Nope not at all. Go back to sleep ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Not even a discussion, man. Don't be a daft cunt putting a bedsheet and your ma's tea towel on your swede. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 spoken to quite a few arabs and they've been loving the arab dress. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Sima said: Not even a discussion, man. Don't be a daft cunt putting a bedsheet and your ma's tea towel on your swede. But keep flying the Saudi flags/banners and buying watered down warm beer piss… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, HTT II said: But keep flying the Saudi flags/banners and buying watered down warm beer piss… Those flying Saudi flags are whoppers, too. Have I missed a memo? Are we still not buying stuff in the ground? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) There aren’t many, if any Saudis that are offended by it (the first thing a Saudi will ask ejnabi/foreigners to do over here is to fully kit up KSA style and take photos etc. they love it, it’s a sign of accepting Saudi society). It’s not inherently a religious outfit save the fact that it was worn by the Prophet (pbuh). I’ll see if I can take a picture of a prominent Saudi publication with a cover picture of guys in thobes etc. with the caption roughly translating to “KSA fever takes over Newcastle” *green heart*”. But anyway, KIO have said their piece and it’s very fucking easy not to do. Little point arguing about it tbh. Edited October 20, 2021 by McCormick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Any club that tells me what I can and can't wear can fuck right off. /Jacamo forever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Yous are aware that arabs aren't actually these cartoonishly emotional radgies as depicted by Trey Parker and Matt Stone, aye? Like I'm sure they can handle a bit of dress up. They probably even enjoy telling jokes and watching comedy films n that yoo, it's mad like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) My Mexican girlfriend (well, not, see mood thread..) would want smack anyone dressing up 'as a Mexican' for a laugh. She loves good humour, she can 'handle' it, but she'd want to smack you and she'd feel uncomfortable around you. I'm sure you'll find plenty of Mexicans to quote who say they aren't arsed. The idea that dressing up in cultural attire as a costume for a laugh, especially when that culture is regularly the recipient of various forms of racism, is not really controversial. No, it's not the most damaging thing in the world and I'm sure most haven't really thought about it, but it's a shitty thing to do. Edited October 20, 2021 by Inferior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Well they need to get a grip Imagine being arsed about something so absolutely trivial man. The vast majority of emotionally mature adults, regardless of their heritage, will be able cope with another culture dressing up as them in good faith. We don't have to constantly play the white saviour, man. Most foreigners couldn't give a shit about this kind of thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Inferior Acuña said: My Mexican girlfriend (well, not, see mood thread..) would want smack anyone dressing up 'as a Mexican' for a laugh. She loves good humour, she can 'handle' it, but she'd want to smack you and she'd feel uncomfortable around you. I'm sure you'll find plenty of Mexicans to quote who say they aren't arsed. The idea that dressing up in cultural attire as a costume for a laugh, especially when that culture is regularly the recipient of various forms of racism, is not really controversial. No, it's not the most damaging thing in the world, but it's a shitty thing to do. Is that not because Mexicans don't dress like the parody fancy dress, though? I suppose it is fair to say that Saudi Arabians don't wear tea towels like. and that's the thing I suppose. The Mexican cliche was allowed to persist for so long that it gets up their noses, understandably. The Saudi Arabians might want to avoid that. A warm welcome is all well and good, but it's just that. A welcome. Edited October 20, 2021 by Happinesstan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Well they need to get a grip Imagine being arsed about something so absolutely trivial man. The vast majority of emotionally mature adults, regardless of their heritage, will be able cope with another culture dressing up as them in good faith. We don't have to constantly play the white saviour, man. Most foreigners couldn't give a shit about this kind of thing. I'll let her know the guy who has a very good understanding of what 'white saviour' means said so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Probably been mentioned but I seem to remember everyone including the media having a chuckle when we had a French day including fans dressed in berets and onions. France must be the only country left that you are allowed to culturally appropriate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said: Well they need to get a grip Imagine being arsed about something so absolutely trivial man. The vast majority of emotionally mature adults, regardless of their heritage, will be able cope with another culture dressing up as them in good faith. We don't have to constantly play the white saviour, man. Most foreigners couldn't give a shit about this kind of thing. Is that not just telling a culture what they can and can't be offended by? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Let's flip this around and imagine some Brit booting off about Mexicans wearing old Victorian attire and fake drinking tea after Richard Branson takes over Cruz Azul. They would get absolutely tortured. I hope any Mexican crying over people wearing sombreros would receive the same over there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, STM said: Probably been mentioned but I seem to remember everyone including the media having a chuckle when we had a French day including fans dressed in berets and onions. France must be the only country left that you are allowed to culturally appropriate. This is what I was alluding to in my above post. It's all well and good to show respect, at the appropriate time, but it can become patronising if you are doing it without context. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Proper left wing cry arsing. Nobodies actually offended past a roll of the eyes. People need to grow up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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