Dr.Spaceman Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 That's fine, just fuck them off and let them continue with much less scrutiny on them then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 19 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Because the person / company in the wrong doesn't learn anything. We entered into a partnership with them, which suggests somewhat of a two-way street. Why can't we work with them to help them be better? Surely that's the best possible outcome here. Providing we pretend this is something they hadn't learned beforehand, you want the club that's majority owned by KSA to teach itself about the ethics of good working practices? Companies only ever pretend to learn one way as well, when it affects their bottom line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) Par for the course with our owners. Edited June 12 by ChrisMcQuillan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Funny, I remember mentioning that shit about sports direct to people at the time who sort of shrugged their shoulders and said it wouldn’t stop them shopping there. The only difference with this one is the KSA virtue signalling that the journos love to be part of for obvious reasons. It won’t go much further than that as deep down, nobody really cares about those workers, they’re just being used for a parallel cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 People pick and choose what works for them, and will turn a blind eye to what suits them. I don't think we're much different when it comes 'accepting' our Saudi ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 It's a shame, but in reality I couldn't give less of a fuck. Like with most things going on in Saudi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 5 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Funny, I remember mentioning that shit about sports direct to people at the time who sort of shrugged their shoulders and said it wouldn’t stop them shopping there. The only difference with this one is the KSA virtue signalling that the journos love to be part of for obvious reasons. It won’t go much further than that as deep down, nobody really cares about those workers, they’re just being used for a parallel cause. The same people will be shrugging about KSA going far beyond Ashley's working practices. Journalists reported on Ashley and Sports Direct's practices a lot, it was in the news loads. Imo the only difference you'll see is the slither of people who pretended to care about Mike Ashley's working practices as a means to remove him from a football club he wasn't investing in, who don't mind that (and more) so much when an entity infinitely more evil does invest in that football club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 LIke who gives a shit about Sports Direct/Mike Ashley work conditions now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 I’ll bet there’s a fair few on here bought the new Adidas shirts since Friday, how many stopped and thought about where they’ve made, Trax Apparell in Cambodia more than likely. I’d bet the working conditions, wages, rights aren’t to clever? Fuck it bin Adidas off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, junkhead said: Cause systematic abuse of workers is a serious criminal offence? Not that the (endless) article gives much proof of this But it isn’t in KSA - and that’s the point. KSA doesn’t have the Rule of Law - it has an uncodified legal system based upon Sharia, which is reliant entirely on the rulings of appointed judges (though precedent and case law don’t apply there - ‘justice’ is literally the whim of the judge and his interpretation of Sharia and a few regulations). We’re not talking about ‘normal’ even in the context of the Middle East. It isn’t defendable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 A lot of nufc fans don't really care about ksa and their practises, but want to be seen as doing so, therefore will call others out for not, yet do nothing about it and keep supporting the club and enjoying the ride whilst trying to ruin it for others. Far too much of that imho. Just be honest and admit what goes on in a foreign country means fuck all compared to what we feel when a goal is scored. Of course we'd all like the money without the ksa connections, but that's not happening and out of our control. Only thing you can do is if human rights means more to you that football, is stop supporting and join an anti nufc group and make as much noise as possible. Those thst have done that have my respect, the ones pretending, not so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 It's not an attack on the fans, it's OK not to care, but there's also no need to deflect on behalf of PIF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Dokko said: A lot of nufc fans don't really care about ksa and their practises, but want to be seen as doing so, therefore will call others out for not, yet do nothing about it and keep supporting the club and enjoying the ride whilst trying to ruin it for others. Far too much of that imho. Just be honest and admit what goes on in a foreign country means fuck all compared to what we feel when a goal is scored. Of course we'd all like the money without the ksa connections, but that's not happening and out of our control. Only thing you can do is if human rights means more to you that football, is stop supporting and join an anti nufc group and make as much noise as possible. Those thst have done that have my respect, the ones pretending, not so much. Personally think that it's more or just as much that a lot of people want to have their cake and eat it. Ironically with a bit of virtue signalling driving it imo. So rather than having a thick enough skin to accept that the club is owned by a murderous state and that you still support the club you've supported your whole life regardless of that - an 'it is what it is scenario' of accepting and living with all of the baggage and hypocrisy that comes with the deal we've made with our consciences - there's a reflexive need to bat off any criticism of KSA and our ownership and instead focus on how the criticism itself is bad faith, hypocrisy, whataboutery, double standards and virtue signalling, so not only wanting all of the positives from that deal, but none of the negatives either. Imo that's driven by virtue signalling and people being too thin-skinned about what they think making that deal with their conscience says about their moral character, hypocrisy, and selfishness that they don't want people to think about them, when in fact it says nothing about any of those things and only shows that they're human beings with all the same internal conflictions as everyone else. Ironically it's then that defensive reflex, that there isn't any need for, that makes people look inhumane imo. Going as far with some people to criticise Khoshoggi's wife and Amnesty International and showing how weak and insecure their character is by trying to come across as hard-line and tough. Edited June 12 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Personally think that it's more or just as much that a lot of people want to have their cake and eat it. Ironically with a bit of virtue signalling driving it imo. So rather than having a thick enough skin to accept that the club is owned by a murderous state and that you still support the club you've supported your whole life regardless of that - an 'it is what it is scenario' of accepting and living with all of the baggage and hypocrisy that comes with the deal we've made with our consciences - there's a reflexive need to bat off any criticism of KSA and our ownership and instead focus on how the criticism itself is bad faith, hypocrisy, whataboutery, double standards and virtue signalling, so not only wanting all of the positives from that deal, but none of the negatives either. Imo that's driven by virtue signalling and people being too thin-skinned about what making that deal with their conscience says about their moral character, hypocrisy, and selfishness that they don't want people to think about them, when in fact it says nothing about any of those things and only shows that you're a human being like everyone else. Ironically it's then that defensive reflex, that there isn't any need for, that makes people look inhumane imo. Going as far with some people to criticise Khoshoggi's wife and Amnesty International and showing how weak and insecure their character is by trying to come across as hard-line and tough. Well yes, from all sides (cake and eat it) I totally agree. Problem being football isn't as important as the realities that we're laid at the door of nufc fans when this takeover happened, and anything anyone says in regard to football, pales in comparison. There is no argument, but many (delaney and Co) wanted to blur the lines and catch as many people's out as they could. They couldn't take on the state, so they took on the fans who had no say in it, fans who've been through the ringer the last 14 years and just wanted a decent team to support. It's why states shouldn't own football clubs, but we're too far beyond that now. There's not many now who manically back ksa or feel the need to, it's very minority. Probably because there is little push back compared to when the takeover was hot topic. Those still pushing back (former nufc fans) and have never changed in their stance I fully accept, but we hear very little from them now the media aren't as arsed. Maybe the wash has worked, and what's come out of it is complicent fans & media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 3 hours ago, Dr.Spaceman said: I hate this "you've fucked up so we're severing all ties" culture. As it relates to people, I agree with you to an extent. I don’t give a rat’s ass as it relates to corporations. That’s the “free market” baby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 1 hour ago, Dokko said: Well yes, from all sides (cake and eat it) I totally agree. Problem being football isn't as important as the realities that we're laid at the door of nufc fans when this takeover happened, and anything anyone says in regard to football, pales in comparison. There is no argument, but many (delaney and Co) wanted to blur the lines and catch as many people's out as they could. They couldn't take on the state, so they took on the fans who had no say in it, fans who've been through the ringer the last 14 years and just wanted a decent team to support. It's why states shouldn't own football clubs, but we're too far beyond that now. There's not many now who manically back ksa or feel the need to, it's very minority. Probably because there is little push back compared to when the takeover was hot topic. Those still pushing back (former nufc fans) and have never changed in their stance I fully accept, but we hear very little from them now the media aren't as arsed. Maybe the wash has worked, and what's come out of it is complicent fans & media. Yeah, don't really disagree with any of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 https://assets.ctfassets.net/9ec6988xevcz/5AwNwSONkTQOkLAOfEovcN/bdb4dc90fc080156e33ef80ba10937eb/FAB_Formal_Meeting_Notes_14_May_2024.pdf meeting minutes from last FAB event Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattypnufc Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 At least they're looking into Away ticket transfers and a first come first served Members thing, looking like a 20% split for a queue on the day and then 80% ballot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 27 minutes ago, mattypnufc said: At least they're looking into Away ticket transfers and a first come first served Members thing, looking like a 20% split for a queue on the day and then 80% ballot. Good that they’re looking into it. Not the sort thing that is solved overnight and I’m sure when they get more a structured staff in the department it will help. Communication on it is key though. Keep the Twitter whiners at bay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Looks like PIF exploring an investment in Brazilian football. Will be interesting to see if it’s directly linked to Newcastle or not. Probably be an indication on whether we’re serious about Multi-Club or not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Would be pretty epic to have a link to a properly legendary club like Santos (who just so happen to play in black and white). Guessing they'd welcome PIF with open arms at the moment, given they're in the second tier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ennyoueffsea Posted Friday at 12:46 Share Posted Friday at 12:46 Quite a good watch, particularly regarding the shirt innovation for RNID Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombrownnufc3 Posted Friday at 13:46 Share Posted Friday at 13:46 59 minutes ago, ennyoueffsea said: Quite a good watch, particularly regarding the shirt innovation for RNID Sela are great partners to have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted Friday at 16:27 Share Posted Friday at 16:27 3 hours ago, ennyoueffsea said: Quite a good watch, particularly regarding the shirt innovation for RNID Seems like the RNID shirt and associated tech may be an ongoing thing, not just a one off. Pleased about that if true. Does anyone know if that system was used for the rest of the season ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted Saturday at 12:02 Share Posted Saturday at 12:02 Adidas ad director……how it came about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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