Unbelievable Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Great, let’s bring in new rules that allow new owners a 3 year FFP dispensation period… 3 years after the Newcastle takeover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 28 minutes ago, Unbelievable said: Great, let’s bring in new rules that allow new owners a 3 year FFP dispensation period… 3 years after the Newcastle takeover Aye but Man Utd are about to get a new owner, and Chelsea are on the verge of hitting trouble less than 2 years into their owners ownership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) It just needs scrapping - ruining the competition of the the league. Getting boring City winning year on year - though only after City have been robbed of all their titles for blatantly cheating. Edited January 10 by duo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 8 hours ago, duo said: I do enjoy Simon Jordan - a man who’s time at Palace ended in administration - telling everyone that unlike him they have no experience in running a football club. Not sure he’s the one I’d take advice from if I did. I’ve no issue with FFP - my issue is with it not being independently governed, which also results in a lack of flexibility; the current rules set only to protect the status quo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Noise around FFP is growing louder. https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/ffp-rules-newcastle-punished-ambition-2847110 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 20 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: Noise around FFP is growing louder. https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/ffp-rules-newcastle-punished-ambition-2847110 Well said that man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardsleymagic Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) While every article in the press like this is a very small step forward, I do believe it's going to take a club to challenge ffp before anything will be done. The premier league won't want to upset the "big" clubs unless their hands are tied. Edited January 11 by beardsleymagic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 23 minutes ago, beardsleymagic said: While every article in the press like this is a very small step forward, I do believe it's going to take a club to challenge ffp before anything will be done. The premier league won't want to upset the "big" clubs unless their hands are tied. In the article NFFC have engaged Nick De Marco so who knows, clearly more and more clubs are unhappy with FFP certainly in it’s current form. Why not allow clubs, if there owners can afford to, spend the same amounts the cartel clubs spend? Seems a bit fairer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: In the article NFFC have engaged Nick De Marco so who knows, clearly more and more clubs are unhappy with FFP certainly in its current form. Why not allow clubs, if there owners can afford to, spend the same amounts the cartel clubs spend? Seems a bit fairer. I can assure your most clubs are very happy with FFP. only those with rich owners who have ambition to challenge don’t like it. The rest love the status quo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I think we already know what the PL’s legal defence vs Forest will be. That it isn’t a restriction of trade - Forest are free to spend as much money as they want. They just can’t be a member of the PL while doing it - they can leave and earn what they want if they wish. They aren’t forced to be the in PL. I don’t think FFP’s legal abolition via commercial law is as shut and closed as many may think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I think we already know what the PL’s legal defence vs Forest will be. That it isn’t a restriction of trade - Forest are free to spend as much money as they want. They just can’t be a member of the PL while doing it - they can leave and earn what they want if they wish. They aren’t forced to be the in PL. I don’t think FFP’s legal abolition via commercial law is as shut and closed as many may think. That isn’t a defence by the PL, it’s an ultimatum, as I’ve said many times the PL are not above or exempt from competition law. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 37 minutes ago, FloydianMag said: That isn’t a defence by the PL, it’s an ultimatum, as I’ve said many times the PL are not above or exempt from competition law. Never said that they were - but this was the finding against UEFA too. They can’t prevent clubs leaving, and membership is ultimately voluntary. No-one forces a club to be in the PL. I don’t think this is quite as open-and-shut as you’re assuming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 27 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Never said that they were - but this was the finding against UEFA too. They can’t prevent clubs leaving, and membership is ultimately voluntary. No-one forces a club to be in the PL. I don’t think this is quite as open-and-shut as you’re assuming. FIFA, UEFA and the PL wanted to impose caps on agents fees, rulings not just in English Courts but also German Courts ruled that governing bodies should not involve themselves in commercial activities, the agents winning there case as it was seen as a breach of competition law. FFP and FMV although a different case are rules that interfere with a clubs commercial activities the principal being that governing bodies imposing financial restrictions on clubs is doing just that. I do think that such a case is a lot clearer than you think it is. I’ll post this tweet again where it’s put it clearer terms by NDM. I know a few don’t like him however he is far more knowledgeable in this area than any of us on this forum. https://x.com/nickdemarco_/status/1735644167521341793?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ https://x.com/footballforum01/status/1741087495914135774?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, FloydianMag said: FIFA, UEFA and the PL wanted to impose caps on agents fees, rulings not just in English Courts but also German Courts ruled that governing bodies should not involve themselves in commercial activities, the agents winning there case as it was seen as a breach of competition law. FFP and FMV although a different case are rules that interfere with a clubs commercial activities the principal being that governing bodies imposing financial restrictions on clubs is doing just that. I do think that such a case is a lot clearer than you think it is. I’ll post this tweet again where it’s put it clearer terms by NDM. I know a few don’t like him however he is far more knowledgeable in this area than any of us on this forum. https://x.com/nickdemarco_/status/1735644167521341793?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ https://x.com/footballforum01/status/1741087495914135774?s=61&t=Yt8DTJJ-7Jh_ndgpdGSFKQ I agree NDM is more knowledgeable than any of us. But it doesn’t mean he’s more knowledgeable than the PL’s legal team. We’ll have to wait and see mate, I think NDM has won himself more work via his visibility as well as his knowledge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 8 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: I agree NDM is more knowledgeable than any of us. But it doesn’t mean he’s more knowledgeable than the PL’s legal team. We’ll have to wait and see mate, I think NDM has won himself more work via his visibility as well as his knowledge. Why not, legal practise is also a business albeit a lucrative business and he’s just given the PL’s legal team a bloody nose in the Football agents case. Edited January 11 by FloydianMag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Financial results filed https://x.com/nufc/status/1745460754839695850?s=46&t=RaLdCRuzyWBbm603Y3eUgg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 As slowly depressing as it all feels that increase in revenue it's good and that's before sela and addidas, we're making more money we just need to buy and sell cleverly which will be sad but for the first time i am sure we will replace players with other good ones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) Revenue is what matters and we'll have around £30m from CL this season, plus Sela which is £20m or so? Edit - Sela is £25m and Adidas is £30m+ Edited January 11 by Keegans Export Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Assuming our accountants arent injured then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 8 minutes ago, Keegans Export said: Darren Eales said in the article the club won’t legally challenge FFP🤷♂️ It’s going to take years to challenge the cartel clubs!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 It's clear that we are going to have to sell one of Bruno , Isak or Botman at some point very soon to help with FFP, very likely to be Bruno I would have thought . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BeloEmre Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, Geogaddi said: It's clear that we are going to have to sell one of Bruno , Isak or Botman at some point very soon to help with FFP, very likely to be Bruno I would have thought . Selling Wilson and Almiron for £30-40m together would make a lot of room for transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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