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1 minute ago, triggs said:

I don't have access to the full article but literally the first sentence mentions Khassoggi


The whole tone is completely different to how he refers to the investment in NUFC.

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6 minutes ago, triggs said:

I don't have access to the full article but literally the first sentence mentions Khassoggi

 

For someone who keeps making sneering comments about how thick other posters are, I'd have thought it might be a good idea to actually read a full article before passing judgment on it.

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2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

For someone who keeps making sneering comments about how thick other posters are, I'd have thought it might be a good idea to actually read a full article before passing judgment on it.

I don't have access to it and I'm not paying to read it. If someone wants to copy and paste it and show where he's glowing about it I'll gladly read it

 

You're the only one I've called thick btw :thup:

 

 

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7 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said:

There seem to be quite a lot on here at a guess based on that celtic fans thread. 

I lied in that thread, prison is fucking awful and grim as fuck and the worst. 

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Just now, ManDoon said:

I legit haven’t read it, but everyone I know who’s been said it was brutal and I wouldn’t call them the types to spook easy. Honestly the youngest one was literally not the same person when he came out, and alienated all

of his friendship group bar me and another lad. 

Legit, my mate was raped in prison.

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If the reports of Saudi Arabia wanting to buy Manchester United come at what is, politically, a highly sensitive time given the disappearance of Washington Post journalist Jamal Khashoggi from the Saudi consulate in Istanbul, the reality is that these are murmurs that have been doing the rounds for a few months.

 

And the Old Trafford club’s links to the kingdom go back even further.

 

Saudi Telecom are already United’s longest-standing commercial partner, while last year they agreed a separate “strategic partnership” with the General Sports Authority of Saudi Arabia. Different names, same pot of money.

 

All of these deals – as well as the proposed $25bn deal with Fifa for the Club World Cup and potential new Nations League – are part of the regime’s somewhat belated attempts to diversify into sport investments and away from oil, while accruing the soft power benefits of such purchases, following the lead of Qatar, most notably with Paris Saint-Germain, and allies UAE with Manchester City.

 

Given there is greater wealth in Saudi Arabia than both, it is surprising that it has taken this long to enter into this race. Figures familiar with the area say the centralisation of power around Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman – the son of King Salman of Saudi Arabia – in a country where it has previously been very spread out has made such moves much easier. It is the Crown Prince who is claimed to be personally interested in bidding for the Glazer family’s private shares.

 

Purchasing a club like United would be such a clear and obvious part of that strategy. Purchasing United would meanwhile be an enormous coup, maybe the global jewel in football given that Real Madrid and Barcelona are socially ring-fenced because of their membership structures.

 

The attraction is obvious.

 

While no-one will go on record and say that there is definitive interest in the club from Saudi Arabia, many believe it has been considered.

 

If Saudi Arabia’s wider strategy is abundantly clear, however, the Glazers’ is not. Information doesn’t tend to leak from that family so easily and they maintain a tight inner circle.

United were not commenting on the reports, but neither were they commenting on their existing deals with the country, an interesting detail at a time when so many others having been willing to distance themselves given the Khashoggi story.

 

A pertinent point is that the links between club and kingdom are there that would facilitate any potential bid without the need for intermediaries that could see information leak.

 

It should be stressed that the majority of sources maintain that United are, officially, not for sale.

 

Why would they be when they continue to be such a highly rewarding investment for the Glazers? The latest reports showed a record income of £590m from selling sponsorships. The six Glazer siblings and their investors have meanwhile been paid around £65m in dividends over the last three years.

 

Other sources however believe that the American family have always had some exit strategy in mind. As far back as 2009, it was said that they were really waiting for the use of high-speed internet streaming to take hold, with a view to financially maximising Manchester United’s immense global popularity.

 

They are still waiting. Though the club’s website and app have already started such steps for pre-season friendly matches, the Premier League’s collective bargaining policy means it is so far off-limits for the games that really matter. It is also why the next few deals, as broadcasting mediums continue to diversify, could be interesting – and telling.

At the same time, while United may not officially be for sale, those same sources say that a bid of over $4bn would be sufficient to hugely test that position. It would represent a significant return on the Glazers’ investment, too.

 

It is a sum that Saudi Arabia can easily afford and it is why the story will not go away any time soon, even if little is likely to come of the most recent reports.

The tentative interest is there. The links are there.

 

Where it goes next remains to be seen.

 

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11 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

This can not be real lol. How many people do you know who’ve been to prison? 

When I played for the Emperor Hadrian pub our centre forward was a convicted armed robber!  I know people who have no qualms with going back into prison. Indeed the reoffending rate of 25-30% would back that up. 
It’s a tough old world outside of the internet. 

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I also know people who happily go in and out of prison (come into contact with them in my job) but I'd really struggle to call their lives enviable in any way lol inside or out

 

(reoffending rates may go a bit down if they werent dumped back out into the same situation etc etc etc)

 

 

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3 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

My issue with Delaney and his ilk is they happily sucked the trough dry of the blood money that has gone through the PL. The Russian WC was arguably the biggest sports washing excercise in history imo. He was there. And I understand the “it’s his job” but the same can be said of Howe, and for fans it’s even worse of a situation. He has no stake in the game, from a playing or fan perspective and I find it very sneering, and classist. 

The whole thing is very 'pick me' behaviour, tbh, constantly cycled between a collection of the same journalists. Their followers absolutely lap it up, of course, which feels like pretty much the point of the whole exercise for the journos.

 

That isn't to say the points they make have no validity. The way they make it is a much, much bigger problem for me. In fact, the biggest issue is actually how they respond to people with a nuanced view, imo - you have to meet their expectation completely or you're effectively a twat in their eyes. 

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Have to say I’m even more uneasy about our owners these days. I’m ashamed to say that the war in Europe has made me more aware of the war in Yemen that’s been going on for more than 7 years. You can’t condemn Russia and at the same time ignore the crimes of Saudi Arabia. I don’t really care about the Champions League and such, I just want to be able to support NUFC. Despite loving the team and the manager I’m having problems fully enjoying it. I’d have no problems with the owners being disqualified like Abramovich. The only important thing was getting rid of Ashley.

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Would put Tariq Panja who actually asked the question in a different space to just the normal football journos mind. Rarely actually talks about games and is more concerned with the bigger picture from what I've seen/heard from him. 100% not just biased against Newcastle or for other clubs.

 

 

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Just spotted this on Panja's twitter feed actually. Didn't think I could hate this hypocritical cunt more than I already did. Seems to just always get away with it without further questioning too.

 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, triggs said:

I don't have access to it and I'm not paying to read it. If someone wants to copy and paste it and show where he's glowing about it I'll gladly read it

 

You're the only one I've called thick btw :thup:

 

 

 

 

Yeah I already said that was because you couldn't answer the question so resorted to name calling. If you can't read an article then why make an uneducated assumption about it based on the first sentence? Doesn't seem particularly intelligent to me.

 

 

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1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

 

Yeah I already said that was because you couldn't answer the question so resorted to name calling. If you can't read an article then why make an uneducated assumption about it based on the first sentence? Doesn't seem particularly intelligent to me.

 

 

 

I did answer the question. I don't support Newcastle anymore so I don't care whether the Saudis own NUFC or Man Utd.

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Just now, triggs said:

I did answer the question. I don't support Newcastle anymore so I don't care whether the Saudis own NUFC or Man Utd.

 

You didn't say you don't support Newcastle any more, you said something along the lines you only watched our games for ASM. Anyway the question was would you rather have the Glazers as our owners and you've answered it inadvertendly even if you didn't have the balls to say it outright.

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2 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

You didn't say you don't support Newcastle any more, you said something along the lines you only watched our games for ASM. Anyway the question was would you rather have the Glazers as our owners and you've answered it inadvertendly even if you didn't have the balls to say it outright.

The question was the usual inane irrelevant nonsense which you come out with. The Glazers have absolutely nothing to do with the Saudis. Not everything in life is about if your favourite football team wins at the weekend

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2 minutes ago, triggs said:

The question was the usual inane irrelevant nonsense which you come out with. The Glazers have absolutely nothing to do with the Saudis. Not everything in life is about if your favourite football team wins at the weekend

 

Yeah but I come here on this NUFC related football forum to discuss my favourite football team. Maybe you have a better reason for being here, but since you no longer support us it must be a weird one.

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Just now, TRon said:

 

Yeah but I come here on this NUFC related football forum to discuss my favourite football team. Maybe you have a better reason for being here, but since you no longer support us it must be a weird one.

This thread is for discussing the owners of the club. You can ignore this thread if you wish, just as I ignore most of the football related threads

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