Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[Heron]

5 minutes ago, Erikse said:

Just 2 weeks ago Longstaff got the creds for us turning the game around after he got subbed of and Tonali had come on. After we had an awful first half with Longstaff on the field not doing much. And all of a sudden Tonali getting some creds for a good game is just a narrative? Maybe we should hold both to the same standard, that would be less of a narrative.

 

 

 

Did I say it was just a narrative? He was one of our best players tonight.

[Heron]

2 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

I did that because you literally made the same arguments about Longstaff, as if he was the silver bullet to our form some games ago.

Ner that's never been my claim. Only that Longstaff isn't as shit as folk make out.

[Erikse]

3 minutes ago, Heron said:

At the time, until checks were done, it appeared factual. Difference is, I have said on numerous occasions both are good and both can co exist. I say Tonali being subbed in wasn't the whole solution and you jump to calling Longstaff out...

 

The thing is you start calling people out for saying that Tonali needs to play after 2 very good performances. If Longstaff performed like Tonali has, and someone said that he needs to play, what if someone replied with "the Longstaff narrative needs to stop"? Would you agree?

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Erikse

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

The thing is you start calling people out for saying that Tonali needs to play after 2 very good performances. If Longstaff performed like Tonali has, and someone said that he needs to play, what if someone replied with "the Longstaff narrative needs to stop"? Would you agree?

 

 

 

I'm not calling anyone out for saying Tonali should start when he plays well and deserves his spot.

 

If we gain better results with Tonali in the side, I'd stop backing Sean. Of course I would. I don't believe I've ever said anything otherwise. So not sure on your point tbh.

 

My desire is for NUFC to win not Sean Longstaff to play. The same doesn't appear to have been the case for many in weeks gone by.

[Ronaldo]

Heron this Longstaff / Tonali thing is a bit tedious, mind. I know you love the ‘local lads’ to the nth degree but it’s beneath you to be constantly pushing this horseshit.

[Heron]

2 minutes ago, Ronaldo said:

Heron this Longstaff / Tonali thing is a bit tedious, mind. I know you love the ‘local lads’ to the nth degree but it’s beneath you to be constantly pushing this horseshit.

Wasn't me who brought it up.

 

I simply said Tonali wasn't the only answer to why we got a result. 

 

Read.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Heron

[Erikse]

13 minutes ago, Heron said:

I'm not calling anyone out for saying Tonali should start when he plays well and deserves his spot.

 

If we gain better results with Tonali in the side, I'd stop backing Sean. Of course I would. I don't believe I've ever said anything otherwise. So not sure on your point tbh.

 

My desire is for NUFC to win not Sean Longstaff to play. The same doesn't appear to have been the case for many in weeks gone by.

 

I don't really mind Longstaff myself, but to me there was also a pretty strong Longstaff narrative not so long ago, almost to the point of him single handedly winning every win where he starts, so it goes a bit over the top both ways.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Erikse

[Heron]

5 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

I don't really mind Longstaff myself, but to me there was also a pretty strong Longstaff narrative not so long ago, almost to the point of him single handedly winning every win where he starts, so it goes a bit over the top both ways.

 

 

 

It probably does.

 

The mad thing is though Bruno has arguably been our worst performing CM this season. So to Ronaldos point I am also sick of the Tonali versus Longstaff narrative. I love local lads, I love anyone who gives their all. Bruno and Tonali inclusive. What we need is for whatever combination to be working and working regularly. My point was simply that it isn't just Tonali (or Longstaff) that makes us win.

 

The difference is, no one is calling Tonali shite. People often to do with Longstaff.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Heron

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

It is becoming a bit of a gripe when we’re winning or drawing a game. We often just seem to leave the same players out there no matter how it is going or how jaded certain players look. Yet when we’re chasing. We will suddenly make wholesale changes all at once and they often don’t come off or we don’t leave enough time for them to make an impact.  I Thought the game was crying out for Willock and/or Longstaff a bit earlier. 

Don’t want to piss and moan too much, mind. Fully deserved point against the best club side in the world at the minute. 

He’s always done this imo. 
 

A game will turn but the game state will be ok so Howe won’t react until we conceded. Then he’ll make the subs he should’ve made 10 minutes earlier. 
 

I’ve learnt to live with it. Sometimes it works.  

[Menace]

Was only able to watch extended highlights due to it being on at silly o clock over here, absolutely missed us just creating chance upon chance upon chance. So refreshing and brings back a lot of optimism.

[buzza]

Lookednlike Tonali played the n°6 role last night and bruno kind of swapped between a right 8 and double pivot when needed.

Anyone else notice that Joe linton in the first half was like a n°10 and he looled really good

[Stifler]

6 hours ago, Pilko said:

I knew we'd up it tonight because we tend to for the bigger sides, but I didn't think we'd be as good as we were. Ridiculous how opposite it was to the Palace display.

 

If we go to Brentford Saturday and roll over like a bunch of limp dicks, this result will be a lot less valuable. He needs to figure out how to replicate that kind of showing today more often. Hopefully he's learned that Tonali needs to play at least.

 

Well done for tonight and a Premier League classic in terms of entertainment value, was great.

Yeah, the worry is that we can only do that against teams who want to win themselves. Liverpool needed to win, and it’s in their nature to go for one.

Brentford are quite attacking, and at home, so I’m a lite more positive about it than other games, although they bring their own dangers with that.

Leicester, and Ipswich though, they will both be very happy point against us. They won’t attack and leaves gaps like others do. So far we haven’t found any answers for games like that.

[Keegans Export]

3 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Yeah, the worry is that we can only do that against teams who want to win themselves. Liverpool needed to win, and it’s in their nature to go for one.

Brentford are quite attacking, and at home, so I’m a lite more positive about it than other games, although they bring their own dangers with that.

Leicester, and Ipswich though, they will both be very happy point against us. They won’t attack and leaves gaps like others do. So far we haven’t found any answers for games like that.

That's what our season will depend on. Howe has come up with a fantastic strategy for games like this, shape, team selection etc all spot on. Now we need to do the same for the teams that are happy to let us have the ball. 

 

Assuming we're going to stick with the 4-3-3 I reckon our best bet is Tonali at 6, Bruno playing further up on the right side. I'd also have Barnes on the right, I think he'd link up well with Bruno and he's more two-footed than Gordon. 

[La Parka]

We just need an answer for anything but a high line. We smash anyone who doesn't sit back. 

[Sibierski]

3 goals against a side that will win the league (having conceded just 8 in 13 before), along with creating another load of good chances, should give us the world of confidence moving forward in final third.

That’s been the thing that’s hurt us the most this season. Mistakes happen and they always will unless you are a proper top level side, but the goal scoring for us over the years has powered us through. Need that mojo to come back and hopefully it does now.

 

When you see what Murphy give us (directness), I can see why we’re linked with guys like Elanga. Like if we had Guler last night, think we’d be worse off, but other games he’d be so key. Almost need two RWs  

[Displayname]

If he can get Isaks and Gordons confidence back I think alot of our problems will lessen significantly. 

[PauloGeordio]

3 minutes ago, Displayname said:

If he can get Isaks and Gordons confidence back I think alot of our problems will lessen significantly. 

Plus the Sandro effect! 

[Holmesy]

1 minute ago, PauloGeordio said:

Plus the Sandro effect! 

Narrative!

[SteV]

Post-match presser:

 

https://youtu.be/2wFS7bSdjE0?si=BjX8UtBCpeBh9WNt

[Conjo]

Brentford has been good at home this season, but they haven't really faced any top teams at home either. They've played Palace, Southampton, Leyton Orient, West Ham, Wolves, Ipswich, Sheffield Wednesday, Bournemouth and Leicester.

 

The real test as many has already said is how we once again now have a chance to replicate our good performance against a team that may not motivate the players as much as the top teams. I don't expect a win necessarily, as Brentford are obviously really good at home despite not facing top teams, but I'd like to see the same desire/commitment/effort from the players here as against Liverpool.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2024 by Conjo

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Conjo said:

Brentford has been good at home this season, but they haven't really faced any top teams at home either. They've played Palace, Southampton, Leyton Orient, West Ham, Wolves, Ipswich, Sheffield Wednesday, Bournemouth and Leicester.

 

The real test as many has already said is how we once again now have a chance to replicate our performance against a team that may not motivate the players as much as the top teams. I don't expect a win necessarily, as Brentford are obviously really good at home despite not facing top teams, but I'd like to see the same desire/commitment/effort from the players here as against Liverpool.

We also aren’t a top side in fairness. I think we will do well to get a point tbh.

[JEToon]

It’s not to throw a player under the bus but this is the season of Gordon like,

 

Brighton chances, Everton pen, goes 2-0 last night, it massively turns the season even disregarding Palace and West Ham.

 

The chances not taken in those games aren’t just “oh well” chances either they are the kind of chances you build a game for your big money players to take.

 

I have never felt the issues with Howe are as deep as some want them to be, we have been a bitty this season and defined by small moments like that to me rather than ever needing to set the world on fire.

[Gallowgate Toon]

It goes without saying but this is a huge, huge period for us now.

 

We've got a largely fit squad, no international breaks for a while, top teams crunched in Europe, and we've just put in a good performance that should be a momentum builder. 

 

Howe has had us on some tremendous streaks in the past; we're due one and this would be the perfect time. Going into January in good form might encourage us to take more risks too...

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, JEToon said:

It’s not to throw a player under the bus but this is the season of Gordon like,

 

Brighton chances, Everton pen, goes 2-0 last night, it massively turns the season even disregarding Palace and West Ham.

 

The chances not taken in those games aren’t just “oh well” chances either they are the kind of chances you build a game for your big money players to take.

 

I have never felt the issues with Howe are as deep as some want them to be, we have been a bitty this season and defined by small moments like that to me rather than ever needing to set the world on fire.

Not sure what you mean - 'the season of Gordon' suggests that he's been performing?

[JEToon]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Not sure what you mean - 'the season of Gordon' suggests that he's been performing?

 

There are words after that bit bud.