Eddie Howe - Granted Freedom of Newcastle

[TRon]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said:

It was the performances this season that were as concerning as the results.  Hopefully a corner has been turned, but focussing on league position is a little myopic.  We have been playing below our ‘level’ for the majority of the season; less than the sum of our parts.  That is why Howe’s position has come under pressure.   Again, as I’ve said on here, I think he deserves the time to turn it around, but I can’t pretend that the games I’ve seen this season were all good.  

 

 

This is me as well. We've looked a confused side for a lot of the season, then we had a spell where we beat Chelsea, Arsenal and Forest and I genuinely thought we'd turned the corner. This does feel a bit different though as for the first time the midfield looked like it clicked with both Tonali and Bruno in it. And more importantly, with Tonali sitting deeper it seems like we are better equipped to recover if we lose the ball in bad positions with his pace. Saw it a couple of times last night for example.

 

 

Edited December 19, 2024 by TRon

[JEToon]

Our great win this season against….Man U? 

[Joe1984]

5 hours ago, Rod said:

Just turned 68 ya knacker!

A belated Happy Birthday to you!

 

You old fart! 😄

[STM]

I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better.

 

I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory.

 

The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options.

 

Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results.

 

The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Superb post. 

[TRon]

On another note, good to see some short corners being taken to good effect over the last few games. Got sick of the sight of us floating them high towards Burn and Schar with every one getting cut out by the defence or a weak header bobbling into the stand.

[nemtizz]

 

10 minutes ago, STM said:

I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better.

 

I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory.

 

The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options.

 

Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results.

 

The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO.

 

 

Edited December 19, 2024 by nemtizz

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, TRon said:

 

 

This is me as well. We've looked a confused side for a lot of the season, then we had a spell where we beat Chelsea, Arsenal and Forest and I genuinely thought we'd turned the corner. This does feel a bit different though as for the first time the midfield looked like it clicked with both Tonali and Bruno in it. And more importantly, with Tonali sitting deeper it seems like we are better equipped to recover if we lose the ball in bad positions with his pace. Saw it a couple of times last night for example.

 

 

 

Yeah, the midfield issue looks like it’s much closer to being ‘fixed’.  The Bruno / Tonali switch just looks so much better.  

[Weezertron]

Eddie all the way. Would love to see him become more flexible with his approach to transfer targets (cheaper), but other than that he's the man. 

[Hudson]

1 hour ago, STM said:

I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better.

 

I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory.

 

The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options.

 

Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results.

 

The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO.

Feels like he could be our Fergie. 

[Scoot]

1 hour ago, STM said:

I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better.

 

I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory.

 

The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options.

 

Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results.

 

The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO.

 

[Vinny Green Balls]

2 hours ago, STM said:

I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better.

 

I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory.

 

The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options.

 

Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results.

 

The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO.

Not only would it be a long shot to get a better manager at this current time,  it would probably be near impossible to get a better ambassador for the club as well. 
 

Those merry one or two who even countenanced bellends like Mourinho would likely not only be disappointed with results, but also by what a cunt he is for falling out with anything in the club that dared protrude from the ground.

[Matt1892]

16 hours ago, Cf said:

 

So if we take those 6 out you expect us to win the league or fire our manager?

I expect us to come 7th, which in 9 of the last 10 seasons is achieved European football, or to qualify through one of the cup competitions.

 

If he can’t do that then I think the club will move him on, which will be the right decision.

 

Our squad cost nearly as much as Liverpool and Spurs squads to assemble, and considerably more than Villa have spent, with the majority of that spent by Howe, so let’s not pretend he is some plucky underdog that we shouldn’t place too high expectations on.

 

[Elliottman]

30 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

I expect us to come 7th, which in 9 of the last 10 seasons is achieved European football, or to qualify through one of the cup competitions.

 

If he can’t do that then I think the club will move him on, which will be the right decision.

 

Our squad cost nearly as much as Liverpool and Spurs squads to assemble, and considerably more than Villa have spent, with the majority of that spent by Howe, so let’s not pretend he is some plucky underdog that we shouldn’t place too high expectations on.

 

 

I think some context is required before you start throwing around lines about our squad costing the same as Liverpool and Spurs like ffs 

[PauloGeordio]

15 hours ago, STM said:

I don't believe any manager would have done a better job than Howe has done for us. They might have matched him and it might have taken a different path but i doubt they would have done better.

 

I can see a scenario where someone had a slower start and we gradually grew into a CL challenging side but ultimately they would have ran into the same problems; fixture congestion, fatigue, injury pile up, expectations getting higher and ultimately a plateau-ening of our trajectory.

 

The real question is whether we want Howe or someone else to take us forward and while everyone is welcome to an opinion, personally I think you'd have to have a screw loose to seriously think there's anyone out there that is realistically going to do a better job. There's plenty of side ways steps but very few definitively better options.

 

Every time Howe hits a bumpy patch we seem to come out of the other side without embarrassing ourselves for too long or not picking up some results.

 

The type of football we play is fantastic, we have reached 2 semi finals + 1 final, gotten to the CL, made some of the greatest memories in our history, broken shit tonnes of statistical records (for what they are worth) and it's been overwhelmingly enjoyable. Long may it continue IMO.

Spot on 👏🏻👏🏻 The players seem to know and adore him! Hope he’s the one that we lift our first trophy with.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2024 by PauloGeordio

[54]

38 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

I expect us to come 7th, which in 9 of the last 10 seasons is achieved European football, or to qualify through one of the cup competitions.

 

If he can’t do that then I think the club will move him on, which will be the right decision.

 

Our squad cost nearly as much as Liverpool and Spurs squads to assemble, and considerably more than Villa have spent, with the majority of that spent by Howe, so let’s not pretend he is some plucky underdog that we shouldn’t place too high expectations on.

 

You can't just say "He has spent the same as Liverpool" without the massive fucking caveat that Eddie Howe assembled that squad with a base level of:

 

Darlow

 

Manquilo

Lascelles

Clark

Ritchie

 

Hayden

 

ASM

Willock

Longstaff

Joelinton (The shit version)

 

Wilson

 

And the club being rooted to the bottom of the league, and we had to spend that money to just get to even talking about European Football.

[Interpolic]

12 minutes ago, Elliottman said:

 

I think some context is required before you start throwing around lines about our squad costing the same as Liverpool and Spurs like ffs 

 

 

Our squad when the new owners arrived:

 

Dubravka, Darlow, Gillespie

Clark, Dummett, Schar, Lascelles, Lewis, Krafth, Fernandez, Manquillo

Shelvey, ASM, Ritchie, Hayden, Fraser, Murphy, Almiron, Willock, Longstaff

Joelinton, Wilson, Gayle

 

Half the reason we were able to spend decent amounts in the first few years was criminal under investment from a fat fuck who DGAF. 

 

The squad needed major work and we had very few players of significant resale value. It's a wonder we've been able to compete with some of those six clubs while still spending less than them, from that rotten foundation. 

[Interpolic]

Snap @54 

[RS]

Matt1892 channelling his inner David Edgar here

[Ghandis Flip-Flop]

57 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

I expect us to come 7th, which in 9 of the last 10 seasons is achieved European football, or to qualify through one of the cup competitions.

 

If he can’t do that then I think the club will move him on, which will be the right decision.

 

Our squad cost nearly as much as Liverpool and Spurs squads to assemble, and considerably more than Villa have spent, with the majority of that spent by Howe, so let’s not pretend he is some plucky underdog that we shouldn’t place too high expectations on.

 

Now do a table for wage bill and see who is significantly ahead of us. Looking at transfer spend without additional context is trying to be disingenuous IMHO

[Erikse]

Not saying transfer fees alone is the best parameter, but doesn't it also account for the players that were bought before our takeover? For example it includes the fees of van Dijk and Salah who were bought in 2017. You guys seem to think that it's about the money spent by different clubs since the time of our takeover. It's just a total transfer fee of each player in the current squad, nomatter when they were bought.

 

I suppose you could argue that our pricey players were mostly bought in the recent inflation of prices, and also that the other clubs has developed some great talents, which is valid.

 

 

Edited December 20, 2024 by Erikse

[Shearergol]

We started with a shed and had to buy a house next to it. Liverpool, man United etc had mansions and decided to change their kitchen. 

[Erikse]

20 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

We started with a shed and had to buy a house next to it. Liverpool, man United etc had mansions and decided to change their kitchen. 

 

The mansion itself and/or the money reinvested from selling parts of the mansion is included in that statistics (and income from sales are not included). If it was "money spent since our takeover compared to other clubs", that argument would be more valid. Not saying it's not valid at all, the Mike Ashley years still matters in some way in terms of having to spend more (like lack of talents).

 

 

Edited December 20, 2024 by Erikse

[JEToon]

Trying to act like we and Liverpool have spent similar outlay to get the squads we have is fucking hilarious like  

[The College Dropout]

Liverpool wage bill is twice ours.

big difference in official squad cost numbers from the accounts.  
 

Granted transfrmarkt will be more up to date but their numbers are not as reliable as official accounts and are in euros not sterling.