The Prophet Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: I’ll be delighted. But it wouldn’t prove that today’s starting XI was the reason for the victory - correlation / causation etc etc ...and a loss wouldn't prove that it had knocked morale either. My point is that I doubt it will have much bearing on our season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jonas said: Its unprovable that playing your strongest XI every game will tire players out and fuck up your season completely because no coach does it for, presumably, reasons unknown. I’m not arguing against rotation - I’m arguing that the Sheff Wed match saw too many changes and a few poor decisions 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: ...and a loss wouldn't prove that it had knocked morale either. My point is that I doubt it will have much bearing on our season. I agree, I don’t think it will impact morale either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Menace said: I genuinely can't believe we're third with the depth this squad has. We have a very decent core 11. The rest is championship tier at best. We're very fortunate to have him and people need a reminder we still have players like Hendrick on our pay roll. Imagine in a few years when even our bench is full of players drilled exactly with how he wants them to play and are levels above the dross we currently have. Even our first team has players that are basically performing miracles compared to their on-paper ability. Howe has been outrageously good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, RS said: That result will drop us down the League significantly. Being beaten by a third division team is a massive hit for morale Tell me you're an idiot without telling me you're an idiot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 He fucked this up today, playing that first eleven riddled with sub-par garbage like Lewis, Murphy and Ritchie, match-unfit Isak, Lascelles and Manquillo? then expecting the cavalry to save things with 30 min left with the damage already done? Poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 The reality of not being able to compete on all fronts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 hours ago, RS said: That result will drop us down the League significantly. Being beaten by a third division team is a massive hit for morale Beg you stop posting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, bhoywhonder said: He fucked this up today, playing that first eleven riddled with sub-par garbage like Lewis, Murphy and Ritchie, match-unfit Isak, Lascelles and Manquillo? then expecting the cavalry to save things with 30 min left with the damage already done? Poor. How would you have played it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 We weren't outplayed by them, so I think he got it right, it's a cup tie and we didn't take our chances. I would have thought there was also an element of showing the management how thin the squad is too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) We knew we needed to strengthen the squad so I'm not sure why there's been a big point of pointing that out. When you look at the squad December 2021 and compare it today, we've strengthened hugely, but we're still going to be 2-3 windows away, even more possibly, from having the ideal squad. We're not going to be able to turnover 15-18 squad players in 2-3 windows to get to a level where we're putting out top quality teams with whatever starting XI we play, it's just not possible. Edited January 8, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: We knew we needed to strengthen the squad so I'm not sure why there's been a big point of pointing that out. When you look at the squad December 2021 and compare it today, we've strengthened hugely, but we're still going to be 2-3 windows away from having the ideal squad. We're not going to be able to turnover 15-18 squad players in a 2-3 windows to get to a level where we're putting out top quality teams with whatever starting XI we play, it's just not possible. I guess the hope is that after this jan and next summer the reliable, quality pool of players goes from 13-14 up to 15-16+. Either way you get my point and that pool will have to increase if we’re in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) Trying to order it from Bruce's choice order to today when all fit. Dubravka - Pope Darlow - Dubravka Woodman - Darlow Gillespie - Gillespie (assuming Karius isn't being kept on) Krafth - Trippier Manquillo - Krafth Murphy - Manquillo Ritchie - Burn Dummett - Targett Lewis - Lewis Lascelles - Botman Clark - Schar Fernandez - Lascelles Schar - Dummett Shelvey - Bruno Willock - Joelinton S.Longstaff - Willock Hayden - Longstaff Hendrick - Shelvey M.Longstaff - Anderson St-Maximin - St-Maximin Joelinton - Murphy Almiron - Almiron Fraser - Fraser Wilson - Isak Gayle - Wilson NA - Wood Hopefully over the next 2-3 windows we see people at the bottom of the right hand columns replaced and we see even better players at the tops of them. It was a massive job we had to overhaul the squad and we're still short, but it was never happening in 3 windows. Edited January 8, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 9 hours ago, LV said: How would you have played it? Not have completely underestimated the opposition and what the game meant to them. Not to put out a trio of shit players who - God willing - will never pull on a black and white shirt again. Not to have a plan which meant 'bring on the big guns' when two goals down. Not to have Chris Fucking Wood as a game changer. That. How would you have played it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, bhoywhonder said: Not have completely underestimated the opposition and what the game meant to them. Not to put out a trio of shit players who - God willing - will never pull on a black and white shirt again. Not to have a plan which meant 'bring on the big guns' when two goals down. Not to have Chris Fucking Wood as a game changer. That. How would you have played it? I’m guessing Eddie knows the physical condition of the players, what kind of loads they can put under and how many games they can effectively play. Teams doing well in the league but with small squads tend to start falling away in January and February. We might yet do that tbh. However, i trust Eddie’s understanding of the squad fitness over yours so I’m very happy to back his judgement. FWIW, I think we should have won the game on chances created. Shit happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 I'd actually be more annoyed if he had went full strength yesterday, even though we're out of the competition today. Remember how Tranmere played against us? we had no idea if Sheff Wed would be the same and injuries to anyone like Bruno, Pope, Botman, Schar, Trippier, Isak or Wilson would give us a serious possibility of completely messing up our league position and league Cup run. It was either put a weak side out in the FA cup or League cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Murphy has had literally months to do nothing but train to peak fitness. So how did he look so completely the opposite of 'match-fit'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King HTT III Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 He can feel a bit better this morning with his boy’s team beating my boy’s team (3-2, last minute winner for them, we were 2-0 down). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) I got 0 issue with Howe yesterday. My issue are with the lads out there yesterday who didn’t perform and are premier league paid footballers who put up far less of a performance to justify their pay. More than enough chances to level and win the match. That’s football. But hopefully a good reminder to the football people at the club that they need to move players on and upgrade. Even a 5-10m winger or fullback or striker who’s actually got some self confidence of desire to step up and not bottle it is better than persisting with players who have shown far too often they don’t have it. Edited January 8, 2023 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 hours ago, bhoywhonder said: Murphy has had literally months to do nothing but train to peak fitness. So how did he look so completely the opposite of 'match-fit'? Eh? Match fitness requires matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Few month back Guardiola referred to us as title contenders and said "can you imagine this team, without European football?!" i.e with less games than our rivals, the ability to maintain our standards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Dr Venkman said: Eh? Match fitness requires matches. Soooo...you cant get match fit without playing a match. But you cant start a match without being match-fit? What kind of Catch 22 bullshit is that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 55 minutes ago, bhoywhonder said: Soooo...you cant get match fit without playing a match. But you cant start a match without being match-fit? What kind of Catch 22 bullshit is that? Who says you can’t start a match without being match fit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
King HTT III Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 All footballers are or should be at this level fit and should be match ready even if they are not playing, but despite him being a cunt, Michael Owen said all the training and gym work cannot and never will make up for playing because the training is organised, it’s structured and it has certain elements where as playing in actual match isn’t, it’s ebb and flow and all about instinct. That’s why he used to visualise what he’d do in certain situations or during games so it become like automatic to him and about memory. It’s an old saying, you can’t beat playing, some players need rotating, some can just come in and look fit, ready, sharp and do a job, when you’re just starting out though or are young or off the back of an injury you need games, in fact they all do at any level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 hours ago, bhoywhonder said: Soooo...you cant get match fit without playing a match. But you cant start a match without being match-fit? What kind of Catch 22 bullshit is that? It's a phrase meaning not having the sharpness and muscle memory that regular competition brings - as opposed to physical fitness, which is separate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Not that I think Murphy has a claim to not being match fit with good reason seeing as he's had plenty of sub outings at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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