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  On 08/01/2022 at 18:24, TRon said:

 

Not sure that's true tbh. We survived with sheer luck two seasons ago, loads of late goals from defenders, then last season we looked doomed until Willock arrived and started scoring for fun. 

 

This season we had 3 points from 7 games and the park the bus tactics had been rumbled. There's no way we were surviving playing that way either. 

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Agreed but don't forget they were coached by an utter buffoon. They all looked competent under Rafa.

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  On 08/01/2022 at 18:28, kisearch said:

I know you are and that's what I'm saying is surely deliberate ignorance. It doesn't make any sense to do that, especially this early. People did the same with Rafa though so if they did it to him they're definitely gonna do it to Howe.

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Are you Kid Icarus btw?

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  On 08/01/2022 at 18:31, ManDoon said:

One post from a well known unhinged poster. Most of the criticism is totally fair and not even that bad 

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1 win in 9 and knocked out the cup by a league 1 side.  He'd be getting a far rougher ride at quite a few other clubs.

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  On 08/01/2022 at 18:29, Fantail Breeze said:

 

Weird comment when we’ve seen many of the same players improved under Rafa. It’s glaringly obvious you can get more from this group.

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That was 3 years ago. Would they be better defending for their lives? Not for most of this season they haven't, we were shipping goals despite parking the bus. 

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Baffling to take murphy off and can’t see any reason at all to put Ritchie anywhere near the  pitch he is dog shit , Almirón did absolutely nothing but make him self dizzy and asm is a over hyped show pony with zero intelligence, add a new keeper for next season too too many errors slipping in now 

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I really don't want to, but I can see myself losing faith in him if we fail to beat Watford. We've had a lot of winnable games during his short tenure and we've still only won once.

 

It's not been good enough. He can't keep losing games.

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  On 08/01/2022 at 18:30, Elephant said:

In all fairness, if Bruce managed to keep this team with these players in Premier League last season, then we seriously need to start asking more from Howe.

 

He is nice bloke and says good things, but can’t help thinking what these results had been with Emery.

 

 

 

 

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Bruce had this team winless and on trajectory to be comfortably one of the worst premier league teams of all time. That's what Howe inherited, not the team that finished last season.

 

The names might be the same, but the rot is the problem. Momentum is a hard thing to turn around in football. 

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  On 08/01/2022 at 18:37, Andy said:

 

Bruce had this team winless and on trajectory to be comfortably one of the worst premier league teams of all time. That's what Howe inherited, not the team that finished last season.

 

The names might be the same, but the rot is the problem. Momentum is a hard thing to turn around in football. 

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This.

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  On 08/01/2022 at 18:36, Menace said:

Not wanting him as manager initially because I thought he's completely the wrong man for the job at heart is being pedantic apparently

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You apparently need a brushing up on what pedantic means then, dude. You were being pedantic about pointing out the offhand 560 page comment, knowing full well what I meant.

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  On 08/01/2022 at 18:38, ManDoon said:

Also agree with this but if I was playing devils advocate Bruce would constantly say “I can’t change the style of play overnight l!!11”

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I think the issue there was that was that he was trying to change a style of play that was effective to begin with, without understanding it. It just came across as tone deaf. 

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