Eddie Howe

[TheBrownBottle]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:16, OverThere said:

Play 5 in midfield for a while, control the ball, stop the other team running straight at us. Eddie is looking frustratingly one dimensional 

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We’ve effectively been playing 4-5-1 in most of our away games

[Ronaldo]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:12, mush said:

 

He gets the whole of next season, minimum, for me

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No team with any ambition has ever given a manager a free hit for 2 years 

[Jaqen]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:16, OverThere said:

Play 5 in midfield for a while, control the ball, stop the other team running straight at us. Eddie is looking frustratingly one dimensional 

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We've been playing 451 away from home for a while now and it's not really worked 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:12, mush said:

 

He gets the whole of next season, minimum, for me

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Came on to say this. Not even worth discussing it until then. 

[Thumbheed]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:11, Gallowgate Toon said:

It's the most physically intense league in the world. No team is winning without being at 90% physically, regardless of tactical approach.

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There's not too many teams who press like we do as well. That requires even more physical effort.

[TRon]

He's got stuck in one gear for me. The Howe way of football is the same as Klopp or Pep, but they have the squad and the players to execute it, at the moment we don't. Today he made the opposition manager look like a genius, reminded me of when we were 1-0 up against Liverpool down to 10 men at home. We shouldn't be playing into the opposition's hands when they are the ones who need to chase the game.

 

Ridiuculous amount of space for them to run into giving strikers easy one on one's against the keeper.

[nufcnick]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:12, Ronson333 said:

I think he does need to rotate more, but let’s be honest, our champions league and caraboa cup draw were as tough as you can get. 

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So you sacrifice one of them, he is the one that’s ran the players into the ground. 

[Thumbheed]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:17, Ronaldo said:

No team with any ambition has ever given a manager a free hit for 2 years 

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Didn't Arteta finish 8th twice?

 

EDIT: yes.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by Thumbheed

[Gallowgate Toon]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:18, Thumbheed said:

There's not too many teams who press like we do as well. That requires even more physical effort.

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There are loads. We've not been top of the pressing charts for ages, iirc.

[SUPERTOON]

Still think the biggest reason for our issues are caused by what really has been a terrible summer window (Barnes and Tonali obviously in hindsight).

[nufcjb]

Concerning thing for me is our intentsity and pressing from last season had disapeared virtually from the start of this season and that has changed us, for the worse.

 

I said it in the match thread, in all our defeats this season, not once have we looked like coming back to get a draw from the losing position, let alone win. Once we're behind, more likely we'll lose.

 

 

[Upthemags]

Barring some shocking run of form where we start flirting with a bottom-5 finish, I don't see the logic in booting Howe mid-season. Like it or not, it's clear Eddie has limitations, but his banked-up credit has at least earned him a tryout this latter half of the season to show why he's the man to drive the Ferrari, so to speak.

 

It would seem very harsh not to give Eddie a chance to right the ship and show what he's learned after the break. I do understand the frustration from fans, though.

[OverThere]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:18, Jaqen said:

 

We've been playing 451 away from home for a while now and it's not really worked 

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Have we fuck. 4-3-3 until the last 20 at Luton

[TheBrownBottle]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:20, OverThere said:

Have we fuck. 4-3-3 until the last 20 at Luton

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It’s 4-5-1 when you’re sitting that deep and being that passive.  Almiron and Gordon have not been playing as wide forwards

[Donut]

He now faces the same issue as Ten Hag does at Man U (Please note i rate Eddie MUCH higher than Ten Hag) in that his players aren't capable of playing his kind of football and just like Ten Hag he hasn't really come up with a plan B yet. Though in our case it's more to do with fitness, stamina and all the injuries while at Man U they just have a rubbish squad.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by Donut

[The Prophet]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:10, Upthemags said:

This is disingenuous - Howe spent 70 million pound on fullbacks precisely to lighten the load on our aging ones. We don't get to then throw up our hands and so there's no options to rotate

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What's disingenuous?

 

i) Howe didn't spend anything. According to the Athletic, we have a transfer panel consisting of Howe, Nickson, Ashworth. The latter has final say.

ii) We didn't spend anything on Hall. If he wasn't available on a loan-to-buy, we might not have brought him in.

iii) At one point we had eleven first team  players missing through injury or suspension. Regardless of who we had bought it would have had a serious impact on form.

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:10, Dava1892 said:

Not want I want at all but this is what I can. See happening. 1 win in 7 and questions will start to be asked, no doubt about that so you STFU

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I eat pipsqueaks like you for breakfast man, fold you like a deckchair 

[Donut]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:22, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

I eat pipsqueaks like you for breakfast man, fold you like a deckchair 

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Calm down Mr. Worf.

[UncleBingo]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:18, TRon said:

He's got stuck in one gear for me. The Howe way of football is the same as Klopp or Pep, but they have the squad and the players to execute it, at the moment we don't. Today he made the opposition manager look like a genius, reminded me of when we were 1-0 up against Liverpool down to 10 men at home. We shouldn't be playing into the opposition's hands when they are the ones who need to chase the game.

 

Ridiuculous amount of space for them to run into giving strikers easy one on one's against the keeper.

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That said, some of the defending on their goals was absolutely scandalous and out of his control. He's been badly let down by certain players he has put a lot of faith in.

 

Trippier for example needs to be dropped until he sorts himself out.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2023 by UncleBingo

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:23, Donut said:

Calm down Mr. Worf.

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You looking to go on the list aye ? 

Ive warned you before about that Worf shite 

[TheBrownBottle]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:23, UncleBingo said:

That said, some of the defending on their goals was absolutely scandalous and put of his control. He's been badly let down by certain players he has put a lot of faith in.

 

Trippier for example needs to be dropped until he sorts himself out.

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Trippier being dropped is absolutely within his control tbf.  And what you’ve described happened a few times in the first half. 

[mouldy_uk]

  On 24/12/2023 at 10:03, mouldy_uk said:

God forbid if we lose or draw to Forest…this place

 

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[Upthemags]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:22, The Prophet said:

 

What's disingenuous?

 

i) Howe didn't spend anything. According to the Athletic, we have a transfer panel consisting of Howe, Nickson, Ashworth. The latter has final say.

ii) We didn't spend anything on Hall. If he wasn't available on a loan-to-buy, we might not have brought him in.

iii) At one point we had eleven first team  players missing through injury or suspension. Regardless of who we had bought it would have had a serious impact on form.

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I can restate it if you like - it's disingenuous to suggest there are no rotational options, when we have a wunderkind sitting on the bench for most all the game, and two knackered ones on the pitch who look world's away from being able to compete.

[Ronaldo]

  On 26/12/2023 at 15:19, Thumbheed said:

Didn't Arteta finish 8th twice?

 

EDIT: yes.

 

 

 

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First one he took over halfway through the season - and won the FA Cup. Hardly a free hit.

[et tu brute]

Rightly or wrongly I can honestly see PIF looking to pull the plug if this form continues through January. The Saudis are ruthless businessmen and the fact that we could well miss out on European football, which will impact on FFP, could well see them forcing a change. You have to remember Howe was not their first choice either.