Eddie Howe

[STM]

There's now 8 sides who want/believe they should be in the top 6. Someone has to be disappointed.

 

Without these injuries we'd be top 6 (ish). Like I've said before, bin this season.

[TheBrownBottle]

  On 04/02/2024 at 09:32, Holmesy said:

Sorry folks, I was pissed last night when I wrote that. Not my finest moment.

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You didn’t call your company CEO a cunt, so as far as drunken bad moments go, it is still well behind my worst mate  

[STM]

  On 04/02/2024 at 09:32, TheBrownBottle said:

Got you.  I remember this one.  This was what the club’s aim is, long-term not for this season.  It was noted at the time as it was a significant climb down from ‘we will win the Premier League, we will win the Champions League’ etc.  

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But the two can exist together. Their aim is to win the PL and CL, but in order to get there they need to be top 6 sustainable first.

 

IMO, what's happening ON the pitch is irrelevant until we get the commercial side sorted. 

 

 

[STM]

  On 04/02/2024 at 09:32, Holmesy said:

Sorry folks, I was pissed last night when I wrote that. Not my finest moment.

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We've all been there. I apologised yesterday too. 

 

Much better place when people admit to getting a tad worked up. Just shows how much we care.

 

Sometimes I wish in hated football. 

[TheBrownBottle]

  On 04/02/2024 at 09:34, STM said:

 

But the two can exist together. Their aim is to win the PL and CL, but in order to get there they need to be top 6 sustainable first.

 

IMO, what's happening ON the pitch is irrelevant until we get the commercial side sorted. 

 

 

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I agree, the commercial matters more - however they aren’t independent of one another.   There is a reason that Man Utd got tens of millions more from their CL group stage failure than we did - coefficients.  And high placings = higher income.  The club won’t grow if (massive ‘if’ - not saying this will happen) we spend the next two or three years in mid table; we’ll be no further forward.  

[gbandit]

  On 04/02/2024 at 09:36, STM said:

 

We've all been there. I apologised yesterday too. 

 

Much better place when people admit to getting a tad worked up. Just shows how much we care.

 

Sometimes I wish in hated football. 

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Don’t hate the game, hate the fans 

[STM]

  On 04/02/2024 at 09:37, TheBrownBottle said:

I agree, the commercial matters more - however they aren’t independent of one another.   There is a reason that Man Utd got tens of millions more from their CL group stage failure than we did - coefficients.  And high placings = higher income.  The club won’t grow if (massive ‘if’ - not saying this will happen) we spend the next two or three years in mid table; we’ll be no further forward.  

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Oh aye, I'm not advocating us not trying to achieve as much as possible.

 

Some serious, serious, shit needs to happen this summer. 

[SUPERTOON]

  On 04/02/2024 at 09:38, STM said:

 

Oh aye, I'm not advocating us not trying to achieve as much as possible.

 

Some serious, serious, shit needs to happen this summer. 

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Really does feel like a massive summer, and next season already feels huge in determining if we have Howe here for the long term or not.

[Myleftboot]

  On 04/02/2024 at 09:37, TheBrownBottle said:

I agree, the commercial matters more - however they aren’t independent of one another.   There is a reason that Man Utd got tens of millions more from their CL group stage failure than we did - coefficients.  And high placings = higher income.  The club won’t grow if (massive ‘if’ - not saying this will happen) we spend the next two or three years in mid table; we’ll be no further forward.  

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Yeah I would imagine our sponsors want European exposure.

[Andy]

  On 04/02/2024 at 00:47, reefatoon said:

Did he not have a great chance of scoring where he left Tino at the back post only to have Dubravka save it? 

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He had that chance aye, could argue Tino blocks it if he hits it across goal though, which is the only way he could have scored. He was far more anonymous in general play, one half chance doesn't really change that. 

[SUPERTOON]

  On 04/02/2024 at 09:46, Myleftboot said:

Yeah I would imagine our sponsors want European exposure.

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I don’t think our Saudi sponsors have much say in the matter tbh.

[The College Dropout]

  On 03/02/2024 at 19:29, Hanshithispantz said:

So like any other defender does?

 

Are you genuinely trying to argue that Burn been beaten on the counter by rapid wingers is a notable flaw in our gameplan over the past 2 year? 

 

This week is genuinely the first time I can remember it being legitimately exposed. There should be loads of examples though?

 

 

 

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Yes. Lots of pacey wingers give him serious trouble.  He had many awful 45 minutes. Previously he would recover some after the break and I think a lot of that is down to protection from Willock and Joelinton who have great work rate and recovery pace. Without them holding his hand he’s badly exposed.  It’s been a weakness for a long time. This season he’s getting targeted because it’s a known weakness but it did happen before. 
 

Same thing with the gap between defence and midfield. It was a weakness last season. It’s just being exploited more this season. 
 

Lots of us called this out at the time. The likes of you would try to shut it down. 
 

Some people wanted Ben upgraded for an offensive winger. But I’ve always wanted him upgraded so we can be better defensively. I like Burns profile as a LB he’s just too poor 1v1.  

[Hanshithispantz]

  On 04/02/2024 at 10:15, The College Dropout said:

Yes. Lots of pacey wingers give him serious trouble.  He had many awful 45 minutes. Previously he would recover some after the break and I think a lot of that is down to protection from Willock and Joelinton who have great work rate and recovery pace. Without them holding his hand he’s badly exposed.  It’s been a weakness for a long time. This season he’s getting targeted because it’s a known weakness but it did happen before. 
 

Same thing with the gap between defence and midfield. It was a weakness last season. It’s just being exploited more this season. 
 

Lots of us called this out at the time. The likes of you would try to shut it down. 
 

Some people wanted Ben upgraded for an offensive winger. But I’ve always wanted him upgraded so we can be better defensively. I like Burns profile as a LB he’s just too poor 1v1.  

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 when have I ever tried to shutdown people down for pointing out the gap between defense and midfield?

 

Burn has had a bad week. This is what happens though, a hypothetical flaw gets pointed out, we go months or years before it breaks, and then at that point the flaw gets blown up.

 

Burn is obviously not the best fullback ever, but he's worked on our system well for about a year and a half. Thankfully most wingers are't Ogbene quick, and baily roasted our entire team, it wasn't just Burn.

 

Ogbene nearly scored the winner with Tino on the pitch too by the way...

 

 

 

Edited February 4, 2024 by Hanshithispantz

[huss9]

  On 04/02/2024 at 10:31, Hanshithispantz said:

 when have I ever tried to shutdown people down for pointing out the gap between defense and midfield?

 

Burn has had a bad week. This is what happens though, a hypothetical flaw gets pointed out, we go months or years before it breaks, and then at that point the flaw gets blown up.

 

Burn is obviously not the best fullback ever, but he's worked on our system well for about a year and a half.

 

Ogbene nearly scored the winner with Tino on the pitch too by the way...

 

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after we'd been bombing on desperately/manically looking for a winner.

[Hanshithispantz]

  On 04/02/2024 at 10:35, huss9 said:

after we'd been bombing on desperately/manically looking for a winner.

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 Pretty sure most of our players were back in the box like, I'll have to see it again.

 

 

 

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[Hanshithispantz]

  On 04/02/2024 at 10:35, huss9 said:

after we'd been bombing on desperately/manically looking for a winner.

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Yeah, we were back in numbers and Tino was done by a clever ball over the back. Would have been a bread and butter header away for the big man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[joeyt]

With everyone fit/not suspended, do we reckon Barkley would get into our midfield?

 

Was seriously impressed with him yesterday and in recent weeks

[George Bailey]

  On 04/02/2024 at 10:59, joeyt said:

With everyone fit/not suspended, do we reckon Barkley would get into our midfield?

 

Was seriously impressed with him yesterday and in recent weeks

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Peak Barkley is/was v good.

Sadly his troughs are more consistent I think. 
Bit of an odd career for such a talented lad.

 

[Erikse]

  On 04/02/2024 at 10:57, Hanshithispantz said:

Yeah, we were back in numbers and Tino was done by a clever ball over the back. Would have been a bread and butter header away for the big man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I didn't know that Burn is 5 meters tall.

 

 

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[r0cafella]

  On 04/02/2024 at 10:59, joeyt said:

With everyone fit/not suspended, do we reckon Barkley would get into our midfield?

 

Was seriously impressed with him yesterday and in recent weeks

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Not a chance, I know he’s played well but our midfield is dysfunctional at present. Not many clubs can function with 4 central midfielders missing. 

[Hanshithispantz]

  On 04/02/2024 at 11:06, Erikse said:

 

I didn't know that Burn is 5 meters tall.

 

 

 

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look up the word "trajectory"

[Guest reefatoon]

  On 04/02/2024 at 10:31, Hanshithispantz said:

 when have I ever tried to shutdown people down for pointing out the gap between defense and midfield?

 

Burn has had a bad week. This is what happens though, a hypothetical flaw gets pointed out, we go months or years before it breaks, and then at that point the flaw gets blown up.

 

Burn is obviously not the best fullback ever, but he's worked on our system well for about a year and a half. Thankfully most wingers are't Ogbene quick, and baily roasted our entire team, it wasn't just Burn.

 

Ogbene nearly scored the winner with Tino on the pitch too by the way...

 

 

 

 

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Can you stop it with this sort of thing. We didn’t win, so the “all Eddie and Dans fault” train is in full motion again 

[Erikse]

  On 04/02/2024 at 11:11, Hanshithispantz said:

look up the word "trajectory"

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I'd have to see it in video instead of still images. Anyways, you seem to be forgetting that we already saw the left back upgrade being necessary before the season even started. It's not like he's been more than good enough for one and a half year, and now all of a sudden people are getting on his back for one bad performance. He has had good games aswell, but he's one of our most limited senior players (if not the most) if you judge him by the position he plays (left back). This leads to a lot of inconsistency when he is playing all the time regardless of opponent and situation. It's obvious that Livramento is an upgrade overall, despite the fact that Burn can sometimes win a header that Livramento can't. Because that ignores all other aspects of the game.

 

 

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[Hanshithispantz]

  On 04/02/2024 at 11:18, Erikse said:

 

I'd have to see it in video instead of still images. Anyways, you seem to be forgetting that we already saw the left back upgrade being necessary before the season even started. It's not like he's been more than good enough for one and a half year, and now all of a sudden people are getting on his back for one bad performance. He has had good games aswell, but he's one of our most limited senior players (if not the most) if you judge him by the position he plays (left back). This leads to a lot of inconsistency when he is playing all the time regardless of opponent and situation. It's obvious that Livramento is an upgrade overall, despite the fact that Burn can sometimes win a header that Liuvramento can't. Becuase that ignores all other aspects of the game.

 

 

 

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The "bread and butter for the big man" was tongue in cheek man 

 

We need to upgrade Burn, I'm completely in the "we need a world class LB/LCB" camp.

 

Burn is in the side as we drop into a 3 though:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Lush Vlad]

I suppose this is where Howe might have to change the way we play. Probably next season now with the players we have available to close out the season.  
 

Do we get a more defensive minded DM to make that 3 at the back when in possession? Or do we go and get yet another left back who is capable of tucking in? Who would also hopefully get more protection from Big Joe/Little Joe/A New Midfielder. Perhaps a more balanced player with a view to not being so heavily reliant on Trippier playing as a right sided forward?  
 

Whatever we do. If we go into next season with Burn still as our first choice left back. Then that would leave a lot of fans, pundits and experts alike scratching their heads.