SUPERTOON Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 minute ago, nbthree3 said: Martinez is a weird one for me, yeah he complements Jones well who's already here. But the ideal manager shouldn't be picked because he's worked with a coach before... His Everton in 2013/14 picked up 72 points which is their most in the Premier League era. (65 in 2007/08 was their 2nd most points) Won the FA Cup with Wigan so he's rightly remembered fondly there. Whoever's manager when we win a trophy (and it is a when!) will be remembered so well because it's been so long. But he has his shortcomings which have already been mentioned Add to the fact it must be a good 5/6 years since he last managed at club level and his teams awful defensive records Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 25 minutes ago, nbthree3 said: These articles follow a very similar theme regardless of the source: Bruce was expected to be sacked His press conference is tomorrow Stavely was at the ground on Monday The consortium are doing things properly (Insert exciting new name) is thought to be under consideration, but nothing is certain Its been similar all week, they know fuck all. At least they'll have something else to write about with the football returning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 The football returning should also quieten down the whole media frenzy around the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 McParland looks like a wrongun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, nbthree3 said: Martinez is a weird one for me, yeah he complements Jones well who's already here. But the ideal manager shouldn't be picked because he's worked with a coach before... His Everton in 2013/14 picked up 72 points which is their most in the Premier League era. (65 in 2007/08 was their 2nd most points) Won the FA Cup with Wigan so he's rightly remembered fondly there. Whoever's manager when we win a trophy (and it is a when!) will be remembered so well because it's been so long. But he has his shortcomings which have already been mentioned He benefitted in 2013/14 from defensive organisation and structure left by Moyes which coupled his more attacking/counterattacking style, a bit like how Bruce benefitted from defensive solidity in 2019-20. That wore off and Everton grew largely dreadful under him. Massive no from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, nbthree3 said: Martinez is a weird one for me, yeah he complements Jones well who's already here. But the ideal manager shouldn't be picked because he's worked with a coach before... His Everton in 2013/14 picked up 72 points which is their most in the Premier League era. (65 in 2007/08 was their 2nd most points) Won the FA Cup with Wigan so he's rightly remembered fondly there. Whoever's manager when we win a trophy (and it is a when!) will be remembered so well because it's been so long. But he has his shortcomings which have already been mentioned His first season at Everton, he had a solid defensive unit he inherited from Moyes. The following season they were all over the show. You've got to give him that FA Cup though, it was a great achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Turning our noses up at managers when just over a week ago we thought Bruce was here forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Martinez would be like hiring Ossie Ardiles to replace Ossie Ardiles in 92 instead of Keegan in our current situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Didn't realise Graham Potter and Graeme Jones were good mates. Jones recommended Potter to Osterunds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) . Edited October 14, 2021 by Billy Pilgrim Wrong thread. I’m an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Martinez always seems to fail upwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said: I was at the academy for six weeks back in the early 00’s. We used to train at three different schools cos they hadn’t built out Darsley Park yet. I was the shortest person there by a distance. A load of my mates went to Sunderland with John herdman (current Canada manager) and one of them made it pro, and even then we knew Sunderland had the better academy. Didn’t get kept on past 6 weeks but got invited back for more trials, but by then everyone I was playing against was an actual out and out bloke and I didn’t have a hope in hell. I've been thinking that this week looking at our training ground because I was at Sunderland in 2000 and wondered 'is this any better than what we had'. Its not that much up on the Whitburn training ground. Embarrassed by it showing up in papers and pages of international newspapers. Was a few Newcastle lads there then. Edited October 14, 2021 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, WarrenBartonCentrePartin said: Don’t know much about him either, but that’s lightyears ahead of whatever the fuck is going on at the minute. Yeah seems like yet another really interesting option. Could you even imagine a tactical video like that on Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 59 minutes ago, joeyt said: Didn't realise Graham Potter and Graeme Jones were good mates. Jones recommended Potter to Osterunds They were teammates at Bworst'n Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I didn't realise either https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/12/graham-potter-another-path-for-english-managers-ostersund-arsenal-europa-league Higher education reshaped Potter. He began his first social sciences degree while playing for Southampton and eventually completed his masters. Luck then played its part. Graham Jones, Roberto Martínez’s assistant coach, had played with Potter at Boston and they were old friends. When Jones and Martínez were at Swansea they often played pre-season friendlies in Östersund. Jones forged a bond with Daniel Kindberg, their ambitious chairman. He convinced Kindberg that Potter should be offered the job as manager when the club were watched by just 500 fans and languishing in the bottom division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Does get Graeme spelled wrong though, just overlook that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickyprickles Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Martinez is one of those modern managers who wears a jacket well so it means they are a good football manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Jones should be peddled as soon as there’s a new manager with his own ideas. Full cleansing of the old regime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 2 hours ago, toon25 said: I doubt it, tbh. Absolutely nothing that he's served up on the pitch so far this season suggests otherwise. Players are culpable too, hopefully new ownership gives them incentive to play at or beyond potential. Obviously won’t be counting on Bruce for a lift in performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Miggys First Goal said: Turning our noses up at managers when just over a week ago we thought Bruce was here forever. That's a good point, great isn't it ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Interesting reading the various takes on Martinez’s time at Everton. Thought it was pretty straightforward myself. They were great to watch in his first season then he got a couple of key defensive injuries long term and looked more vulnerable. The DM he brought in from Wigan getting injured in the second season if Iirc particular hitting then hard. Still disappointed this all didn’t go through in time to grab Rafa as he was a great fit and feel he would’ve helped AS and her husband as they review the club from top to bottom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 The “Saudi XI (coached by Wenger)” is interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Tomato Deuce said: The “Saudi XI (coached by Wenger)” is interesting. PSG being involved is even more interesting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 14 hours ago, kamakazeee said: He got Nice to their highest finish and Champions league football and also had Balotelli playing arguably the best football of his career. The thing Favre, he hits a brickwall. He's very good at getting teams overachieving and into European football - which is where largely most of his success has come. He hits a brickwall when it comes to getting teams over the line in terms of winning leagues etc. But, that's not the job we are looking for in the short term, we actually just need Favre to do what he does best, get teams playing good football, develop players and get us moving up the league. Longer term, obviously he could be an issue, but I don't think he's a long term appointment anyway, he's 62/63 now. Sounds a bit like Keegan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 17 hours ago, KaKa said: I respect that you see things really differently, but the guy wasn't exactly a bum in Germany. He transformed Gladbach from a bottom feeding club to a Champions League club and did excellent work with an unfancied Nice side in France too. Even at Dortmund he didn't manage to threaten Bayern but he always finished second. Not sure I understand why you think he's not good enough for Newcastle as we are at the minute. Our current manager is Steve Bruce. A man more concerned about bacon and kebabs than football, who takes holidays to Portugal a few games into the season when the team are hovering around the bottom of the league. Fair point. I’m certain he would be an improvement. Apart from the first 6 months at Dortmund he, thereafter, showed some serious limitations but sometimes a coach and a squad don’t quite gel the way everyone wants. His stubbornness to use a sub optimal set of tactics left me and many Dortmund fans with PTSD! You’re right of course, he’s no mug and he would help the younger players. He seemed especially good at that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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