Vinny Green Balls Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 21 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: Perfectly reasonable to question a record of one win in ten, particularly when several were winnable home games. The performances haven’t improved either - that could easily have been a Steve Bruce NUFC out there today. Impatience would be booing and banners in the ground at this point. Questioning the manager, his decisions or ultimately his suitability on an Internet forum is hardly a lack of patience. We didn’t put up with Ashley - most wanted him gone around a year after he took over the club - it was that there was nothing we could do to remove him. Passivity rather resilience. Once again, some of us are not getting on people for questioning the manager. And once again, in this context, it is of course reasonable to criticize Howe. that is not the issue. It's continued kneejerk responses from some of the same posters on a significant number of threads in this forum. whether people are right or not is NOT the issue. It reminds during the beginning of the pandemic, one of my exes claiming that she knew it was going to be serious. She's not a fucking epidemiologist. That she happened to be right was by pure chance, but not from her astute observations, as she believes that History Channel's Ancient Aliens is a good source of information. This is exactly how I feel with some on here. If they happen to be right, it doesn't change their very flawed processes in getting there. As a math teacher, I used to heavily mark off flawed steps even if the kid stumbled on the correct answer, because they clearly didn't know what they were doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 One other thing which rankles with me slightly is Howe's reluctance to express disappointment with a performance. You don't have to name names, just watching Tuchel's interview, and he was saying that his forwards needed to step up, that there was nowhere to hide in a fight for the title. Conte has done similar when demanding more from his players, both have complained about the lack of quality in some areas. I get that you want to protect your players, but at some point you need to ask for more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Still behind Howe, I like him as a person. However, agree with a lot of the valid criticism in this thread. For me, replacing the center of midfield was priority, even above ST or CB, and he’s not identified that as an urgent need. That to me has been shocking and confounding to see. We’ve sent bid after bid for CB’s but haven’t pursued a list of midfield targets from Jan 1st. That tells me he may not understand, or has not been able to diagnose the glaring issue at the heart of the team. We needed one or two midfielders in before Watford, the back 4 has desperately needed not only protection but someone who can energize the space in front of them, and drive the ball forwards, retain possession. We are still starting with Sean fucking Longstaff while chasing Botman and another CB. Mindboggling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky Jim Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, DJ_NUFC said: Still behind Howe, I like him as a person. However, agree with a lot of the valid criticism in this thread. For me, replacing the center of midfield was priority, even above ST or CB, and he’s not identified that as an urgent need. That to me has been shocking and confounding to see. We’ve sent bid after bid for CB’s but haven’t pursued a list of midfield targets from Jan 1st. That tells me he may not understand, or has not been able to diagnose the glaring issue at the heart of the team. We needed one or two midfielders in before Watford, the back 4 has desperately needed not only protection but someone who can energize the space in front of them, and drive the ball forwards, retain possession. We are still starting with Sean fucking Longstaff while chasing Botman and another CB. Mindboggling. Spot on…I’ve been saying for months that this area is our biggest weakness…we don’t need a new CM we need a new midfield…minimum of 3 players this month(doubt it will happen)….solve this area and the defence will have cover and the forwards will have support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 (edited) Another thing… echoing what others have said about the lack of attacking nous. It’s been 3 months now and our main attacking tactic still seems to be: pass to ASM > hope for magic. What happened to all that pass and move we saw in early training videos? Why are none of our players capable of creating a single passing triangle? Why can’t we hold the ball? Why don’t we move as a unit? Really disappointing. edit: I get that he inherited garbage, who cannot change. But we are halfway through the transfer window and haven’t bid for a single CM or DM. Edited January 15, 2022 by DJ_NUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealGoneKid Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Face facts - theres been no new ownership bounce , no new manager bounce and so far no new players bounce - it seems as flat and flaccid as under Bruce . Todays result can only put potential signings off joining . Whatever Howe learnt in his recent sojourns needs to bear fruit asap - the fat lady is warming up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Yelevats said: Eddie Howe used the words “dust ourselves down” in his post match interview ??? It’s the chair in the managers office, like Fr. Stack catching hairy hand syndrome off Jack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinoasprilla Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Think he's shite speaks well apart from that what's the difference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Howe (at the moment) isn't being successful at what he's trying to do. Bruce never tried to do anything. That's the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Robster said: Howe (at the moment) isn't being successful at what he's trying to do. Bruce never tried to do anything. That's the difference. Perfect summary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMLeazesender Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 I'm disappointed but not panicing yet. It's still 3 from 4 at the minute and Leeds & Everton could still get dragged into it. Even based on the 3 from 4 I think we will buy our way out of it. It really depends on who we get in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealGoneKid Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Robster said: Howe (at the moment) isn't being successful at what he's trying to do. Bruce never tried to do anything. That's the difference. Kind of scary that hes doing no better than Bruce then ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, RealGoneKid said: Kind of scary that hes doing no better than Bruce then ... He is but not at the level we need him to be. If only Eddie Howe had Joe Willock in ridiculously uncharacteristic goal scoring form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Just out of interest do people think Emery would have done a better job (theoretically). Absolutely, Emory is good tactically for a start. Eddie is clearly a talented coach but I think it’s wrong place wrong time unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, Robster said: Howe (at the moment) isn't being successful at what he's trying to do. Bruce never tried to do anything. That's the difference. What is Howe 'trying' to do though? I am not seeing it. I am not defending Bruce - God No - but am struggling to see any tactical change under Howe. We're as devoid of ideas as much we were under Bruce. It's like it is a conundrum that neither are able to solve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 13 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Just out of interest do people think Emery would have done a better job (theoretically). IMO absolutely - he a winner for a start. So straight away you are bring in a winning mentality to the dressing room. I also think from a recruitment point of view we would be a more attractive proposition to players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just look at Villa to see the difference a manager makes in attracting players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 If we hired Gerrard would we have had Coutinho and Digne? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Kanji said: If we hired Gerrard would we have had Coutinho and Digne? I did wonder this. How much is Gerrard as a name on top of Villa sitting higher up the league a factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Kanji said: If we hired Gerrard would we have had Coutinho and Digne? Coutinho for sure - in our current position having someone like Emery could have made all the difference. Edited January 16, 2022 by duo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 To be honest, we can attract these players it is easy. But to be clear, if we want them we have to pay them daft wages to bribe them in to coming. Remember, Coutinho stock is basically zero and Barca can’t wait to get shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I did say this at the time but Gerrard would definitely have been a bigger figurehead for the club like, plus he’s quite clearly a decent manager. Hilarious how many people were adamant we were too good for him back in November. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 We would be in a much better position had we had Gerrard here for sure. He's a far bigger name in world football than Eddie Howe is for sure. Digne & Coutinho would've been 2 cracking additions to this squad and I'd wager Gerrard would have a few more wins under his belt too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMLeazesender Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 No - I wanted Howe and not Emery. I felt he was the right man for this part of the NUFC evolution project given the position we are in and I still believe this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) Idk man, I’m sat here at home watching the NFL playoffs and I’m sick to bits thinking that I actually think we need to sack Howe before he takes us down. I don’t think he’s going to do it. Maybe I’ll change my mind tomorrow or end of window when we sign new center backs and midfielders. And for the record I absolutely love the man, think he’s class and his underdog story and his mentality and human level is just first class. Edited January 16, 2022 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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