ExiledGeordie Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, DMLeazesender said: Totally agree with this. It's very early days in the great scheme of things. Fat Mike left a crumbling, hollow shell, no money in the world will fix the mess he left in a few weeks or months....but all things considered we are moving in the right direction, there will be hiccups along the way but NUFC and the changes are going to be massive..... far bigger than we have ever known and possibly far bigger than football has known. I agree I think overcoming the Ashley effect and latterly the Bruce effect was always going to take a monumental effort. I did expect a greater improvement with Howe though particularly going forward. I think he’s got some big decisions wrong and our defence hasn’t been tightened up one iota. Ultimately though I just don’t think these players are good enough which is symptomatic of the Ashley regime over all these years. Edited January 16, 2022 by ExiledGeordie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMLeazesender Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said: I agree I think overcoming the Ashley effect and latterly the Bruce effect was always going to take a monumental effort. I did expect a greater improvement with Howe though particularly going forward. I think he’s got some big decisions wrong and our defence hasn’t been tightened up one iota. Ultimately though I just don’t think these players are good enough which is symptomatic of the Ashley regime over all these years. Totally agree with all of that.... turning round NUFC after years of Ashleys neglect is like turning round the QE2..... the takeover fairy tale hasn't delivered the results we expected or hoped for.... but slowly and surely the ship is finally moving in the right direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 On the flip side, Howe knew exactly what he had to achieve and so far is failing to do so. As @ManDoonpointed out, if Bruce was a terrible as we all believe he is, shouldn’t Howe be getting more out of the team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 40 minutes ago, r0cafella said: On the flip side, Howe knew exactly what he had to achieve and so far is failing to do so. As @ManDoonpointed out, if Bruce was a terrible as we all believe he is, shouldn’t Howe be getting more out of the team? He should be, and he has gotten more out of them in his time here than Bruce was able to get this season. Not saying much like, given that Bruce was practically winging it. I've said a few times now that he's improved us tactically and its individual errors and shit refereeing that's been costing us. The last 2 games now though against Watford and Cambridge have worried me and we seem to be going backwards. Both tactically and offensively, while the defensive issues are still there to be seen. Questions need to be asked, he isn't infallible but I really do resent the clamour for a Benitez return. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: He should be, and he has gotten more out of them in his time here than Bruce was able to get this season. Not saying much like, given that Bruce was practically winging it. I've said a few times now that he's improved us tactically and its individual errors and shit refereeing that's been costing us. The last 2 games now though against Watford and Cambridge have worried me and we seem to be going backwards. Both tactically and offensively, while the defensive issues are still there to be seen. Questions need to be asked, he isn't infallible but I really do resent the clamour for a Benitez return. But that’s the point right? We are comparing him to a manager who can barely be described as a manager and when we examine the results he’s not doing much better. I think Howe is a good coach, but in his last job he couldn’t turn around a sinking ship and he has no track record of going into a club and turning things around. Wrong man at the wrong time for me, although in fairness to the owners they had to get someone in before they could set up a proper structure and this is now costing us handsomely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, r0cafella said: But that’s the point right? We are comparing him to a manager who can barely be described as a manager and when we examine the results he’s not doing much better. I think Howe is a good coach, but in his last job he couldn’t turn around a sinking ship and he has no track record of going into a club and turning things around. Wrong man at the wrong time for me, although in fairness to the owners they had to get someone in before they could set up a proper structure and this is now costing us handsomely. The job is a first for Howe in ways despite when he kept Bournemouth in League 2 with the points deductions et cetera so you can't really judge him on that yet imo. When Bournemouth went down they were plagued with injuries and would've stayed up had the goal line technology been turned on at Villa Park. Regardless, I said before he has this window and February for me to prove his worth. I like him and still am behind him, but fuck me these last 2 games have not done him any favours. Looked clueless after going behind to League 1 opposition and looked clueless after going ahead at home in a crucial game. Bizarre given that his game management was spot on v Burnley, our only other win, when he brought Fernandez on and went 3 at the back to tighten up. If you're going to sit off, do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I’m still 100% behind EH , however he’s got to get into the minds of this team . That the key , in their minds , they don’t know how to kill a game off , they go into self preservation mode every time , never go looking for a second in truth in these big games . That’s down to the players who remember 80% of that team are utter shite . I so wanted us to win yesterday but we aren’t down yet lads , Howay EH . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macphisto Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 hours ago, r0cafella said: On the flip side, Howe knew exactly what he had to achieve and so far is failing to do so. As @ManDoonpointed out, if Bruce was a terrible as we all believe he is, shouldn’t Howe be getting more out of the team? Of course he should be getting more out of the team, particularly when combined with the positive atmosphere around the club now. Realistically, he couldn't have made a worse start. I know people will say give him time but we don't have that luxury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I rate him, want him to do well, but he’s not delivered thus far and although the team is shite, I’ve not seen any massive improvements and it’s worrying. I’m sure we will do well in the Championship mind… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, r0cafella said: But that’s the point right? We are comparing him to a manager who can barely be described as a manager and when we examine the results he’s not doing much better. I think Howe is a good coach, but in his last job he couldn’t turn around a sinking ship and he has no track record of going into a club and turning things around. Wrong man at the wrong time for me, although in fairness to the owners they had to get someone in before they could set up a proper structure and this is now costing us handsomely. Isn't this exactly what he did at Bournemouth? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, Dr.Spaceman said: Isn't this exactly what he did at Bournemouth? In league 1 sure. Not many elite managers at that level mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) Is there a way on here when anyone types "Bruce" on this forum it gets struck through, deleted, blanked out ? Just stop mentioning the cunt man, fucking annoying prat that he is Edited January 16, 2022 by RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 We’ve made our bed and all that… We will go down and I think we will bounce back under Howe and come back up, the minute that happens, get rid… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, HTT II said: We’ve made our bed and all that… We will go down and I think we will bounce back under Howe and come back up, the minute that happens, get rid… can’t argue with this . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 I honestly feel a few of them players know for a fine fact they are wanted out of this team/club and don't have the right mindset for this rescue job. Lacelles/shelvey/longstaff are absolute suicide for us right now and it needs sorted like now. EH has my support for now, along with the management. But the improvements are marginal and if it is a case of shit personnel, then they need to rectify that sharp. Nobody is immune to criticism, but when I weigh up what we had 6 month ago to now, I try to mellow a bit because I know(hope) deep down that the club is in better hands going forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, NE27 said: I honestly feel a few of them players know for a fine fact they are wanted out of this team/club and don't have the right mindset for this rescue job. Lacelles/shelvey/longstaff are absolute suicide for us right now and it needs sorted like now. EH has my support for now, along with the management. But the improvements are marginal and if it is a case of shit personnel, then they need to rectify that sharp. Nobody is immune to criticism, but when I weigh up what we had 6 month ago to now, I try to mellow a bit because I know(hope) deep down that the club is in better hands going forward mate it was my worry from the minute we were took over . the players know they will be gone so why try ? Sadly it’s coming to fruition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, NE27 said: I honestly feel a few of them players know for a fine fact they are wanted out of this team/club and don't have the right mindset for this rescue job. Lacelles/shelvey/longstaff are absolute suicide for us right now and it needs sorted like now. EH has my support for now, along with the management. But the improvements are marginal and if it is a case of shit personnel, then they need to rectify that sharp. Nobody is immune to criticism, but when I weigh up what we had 6 month ago to now, I try to mellow a bit because I know(hope) deep down that the club is in better hands going forward I’d honestly go all out and buy a whole new team if need be, fuck the wasters stealing a living here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, r0cafella said: In league 1 sure. Not many elite managers at that level mind. You can't completely discount it just because it was two levels below, whatever the level you've got to grab the entire club by the scruff of the neck. In some ways it's more difficult at a lower level due to the lack of resources available to you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: I’d honestly go all out and buy a whole new team if need be, fuck the wasters stealing a living here. On the showings since Howe came in, hell, since we got promoted! We have needed to overhaul the entire squad. We are a joke of a PL team cobbled together with journeymen and championship players. We've knew it for ages but had to back what we've got because Mike Ashley thought it was easier to give extensions to contracts because replacements were too expensive (Hayden/Gayle etc.) Unless we make significant changes with proven quality this window I'd say we are down. And I'll take it just for the absolute purging that should commence, it'll feel lush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, NE27 said: I honestly feel a few of them players know for a fine fact they are wanted out of this team/club and don't have the right mindset for this rescue job. Lacelles/shelvey/longstaff are absolute suicide for us right now and it needs sorted like now. EH has my support for now, along with the management. But the improvements are marginal and if it is a case of shit personnel, then they need to rectify that sharp. Nobody is immune to criticism, but when I weigh up what we had 6 month ago to now, I try to mellow a bit because I know(hope) deep down that the club is in better hands going forward Thats well summed up. I’m pissed off and deflated because I care again. I loved being back in the Gallowgate and singing again yesterday. Longterm I can see hope and ambition and I’m in it for the long haul which is key for me. I still feel pretty grim today though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said: You can't completely discount it just because it was two levels below, whatever the level you've got to grab the entire club by the scruff of the neck. In some ways it's more difficult at a lower level due to the lack of resources available to you. It hasn’t translated here yet which is of great concern. Fair play though, your entitled to your view and of course we have a boatload of mitigating circumstances but for me the bottom line is, the job was to come here and keep us in the league and from where I’m sitting this is looking increasingly unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: It hasn’t translated here yet which is of great concern. Fair play though, your entitled to your view and of course we have a boatload of mitigating circumstances but for me the bottom line is, the job was to come here and keep us in the league and from where I’m sitting this is looking increasingly unlikely. I completely agree, except for the fact that I think relegation is absolutely nailed on at this stage without 2 or 3 great signings. Edited January 16, 2022 by Dr.Spaceman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, ExiledGeordie said: Thats well summed up. I’m pissed off and deflated because I care again. I loved being back in the Gallowgate and singing again yesterday. Longterm I can see hope and ambition and I’m in it for the long haul which is key for me. I still feel pretty grim today though. I hadn't watched a full game since the start of Bruce's tenure. Never watched highlights and struggled to come on here and read the constant in-fighting and despair. We still have in-fighting but it's now because we are all back in and feel something. And that's a positive I said I'd take relegation if it meant feeling something for my club again, unfortunately I'm getting my just desserts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, NE27 said: I hadn't watched a full game since the start of Bruce's tenure. Never watched highlights and struggled to come on here and read the constant in-fighting and despair. We still have in-fighting but it's now because we are all back in and feel something. And that's a positive I said I'd take relegation if it meant feeling something for my club again, unfortunately I'm getting my just desserts what kind of dessert? ? Victoria sponge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 minute ago, ExiledGeordie said: what kind of dessert? ? Victoria sponge? Aye, with shite instead of Jam in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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