Eddie Howe

[macphisto]

18 minutes ago, NE27 said:

I honestly feel a few of them players know for a fine fact they are wanted out of this team/club and don't have the right mindset for this rescue job.

 

Lacelles/shelvey/longstaff are absolute suicide for us right now and it needs sorted like now.

Is that not balanced by getting more out of other players being enthused by the future ahead such as Wilson, Joelinton, Willock, Lewis, Saint-Maximin, Dubravka and possibly others? I'm not saying they all have a future at the club but nearly all footballers have an ego that surely Howe could tap into as a means of motivating them by future opportunities at the club.

 

Based on Howe's last season at Bournemouth and so far at Newcastle, the bloke has forgot how to win at the top level.

[NE27]

Fair point.

 

I personally believe joelinton has improved and Lewis, even Murphy to a degree.

 

Wilson was enthused but his performances were a bit iffy prior to injury, although the way we were playing was basically giving him scraps to convert.

 

If we can put some real quality in the middle of the pitch this January I'm confident we can start turning some draws into wins.

 

EH wasn't my first choice, but he said the right things and the owners were impressed by his interview so I've tried to put a but trust In him.

 

I'll be honest, I was so sick of being negative and hating nufc I'm struggling to get myself too worked up now. The very fact conversation is so charged now is that we all want the club to stay up and push on, 6 months ago I wouldn't have gave a fuck.

[Dr Venkman]

I really don’t see it as people ‘turning on’ Howe. Ten games is a decent staging post for judging results. He’s won one, it’s not good enough. I’m still supportive of him and I’ll go and sing his name in SJP until he gives me reason not to, but if I was in charge at NUFC I’d be starting to think right now about how long I’m giving him on this form and who I could replace him with.

[duo]

I don't think anyone is blaming EH or the consortium. I think everyone agrees under MA we were down. The new owners gave us a chance to stay up, but due to the damage MA had done to the club it was a minimal at best. I think what is in question was whether EH was the right man to take on that burden of keeping us up.  And I don't think it means people aren't behind EH, I think everyone hopes he does well. Personally I will never blame EH if we do gp down, those weeds were sown long before he came.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by duo

[NE27]

2 minutes ago, Dr Venkman said:

I really don’t see it as people ‘turning on’ Howe. Ten games is a decent staging post for judging results. He’s won one, it’s not good enough. I’m still supportive of him and I’ll go and sing his name in SJP until he gives me reason not to, but if I was in charge at NUFC I’d be starting to think right now about how long I’m giving him on this form and who I could replace him with.

 

Would you trust staveley and mehrdad again to make the managerial choice?

 

I know PIF were supposedly in agreement on Howe, but do you think they sort of just allowed AS to push on in her management of the club?

 

I think we need the right man in place as DOF before we make anymore big decisions. We need a clear vision for how they want this club to be and allow this person to make the moves.

[AJ9]

14 hours ago, Pilko said:

 

Because we all sat here and said "The squad is terrible but Bruce is the fucking pits, this team would be doing better under someone even halfway competent".

 

And Howe has come in, and made absolutely no impact whatsoever other than stumbling upon Joelinton being a canny CM (which he only discovered by starting Clark, another Howe mistake).

 

The narrative seems to have shifted from "squad shit, Bruce making it worse" to "squad so shit that nobody in the world could fix it" just so people can defend Eddie Howe. He's hoodwinked so many on this forum and it's plain as day he's not up to the job.

Good post. Sums up my thoughts exactly.

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, NE27 said:

 

Would you trust staveley and mehrdad again to make the managerial choice?

 

I know PIF were supposedly in agreement on Howe, but do you think they sort of just allowed AS to push on in her management of the club?

 

I think we need the right man in place as DOF before we make anymore big decisions. We need a clear vision for how they want this club to be and allow this person to make the moves.

I’ve been pondering this most of the morning. The only way we change manager now is if we have someone who is literally ready to come in who is a significant upgrade and we are prepared to spend whatever it takes to get a functioning team. 
 

If that isn’t the case then we should wait and get the structure in place as you have said. 

[tommo]

I don't think I want Howe to be sacked but I think it is totally right that some questions are asked. At times the football has improved but sadly its a result business and we aren't getting. People will argue we play better football(?) and are more attacking (1 shot on target at home against Watford etc etc). I am well aware he doesn't have much to work with but playing devils advocate, why sack Bruce if its purely down to the players? (btw, I was desperate for Bruce to go and I am not suggesting he should have stayed).

 

Brentford at home - totally winnable, should have won but didn't, individual mistakes cost us - 2 points dropped

Arsenal away - a routine 2-0 defeat, didn't expect to win but never looked like winning

Norwich at home - started Clark for some reason, that decision sadly cost us a game we should have won - 2 points dropped

Burnley at home - job done, fair enough

Leicester away - went there with some hope of a point, absolutely abysmal performance

Liverpool away - expected defeat, played well tbf

Man City at home - expected defeat, done ok

Man Utd at home - played well, should have won but didn't, Wilson injury didn't help - still 2 points dropped

Cambridge at home - appalling, we lost at home in front of 52k fans against a league 1 side when we were desperate for a win and some confidence

Watford at home - poor, 1 shot on target at home against a team with 7 straight defeats, extremely poor after going 1 up - another 2 points dropped

 

I like Howe and I want him to do well but I think its right he is criticised. I'd love him to turn it round and maybe with the right backing he will but I'm not so sure anymore. 

 

 

[nufcnick]

I said from the start that I felt Howe has the wrong person, nothing I have seen up to now has changed my mind, we’re still very poor defensively, but now sit 15 yards higher up the pitch so there is even more space behind us. 

[Guest reefatoon]

I’ll be seriously questioning him if he hasn’t identified any midfielders before the end of the window. If he can’t see that glaring weakness in our team then that’s a worry. Hopefully he has that rectified by the end of the month.

[BGRM]

8 minutes ago, reefatoon said:

I’ll be seriously questioning him if he hasn’t identified any midfielders before the end of the window. If he can’t see that glaring weakness in our team then that’s a worry. Hopefully he has that rectified by the end of the month.

This is where i stand as well. Yesterday highlighted the weak areas so much, if this isn’t resolved in the next couple of weeks and the results stay the same (obviously resulting in relegation) then we need think about looking elsewhere, its too early to do that now I reckon. Getting out of the championship with the majority of the squad we have wouldn’t be a forgone conclusion either, we need to bin most of them tbh. I really like EH as a bloke and hope he can turn our form around, just becoming more pessimistic with each match. 

[Zarathustra]

Indeed, and it didn’t inspire confidence when Howe went out of his way in the pre-Watford press conference to say that Sean Longstaff had “a long term future at the club”. Granted, for various reasons he can’t go ahead and say “tbh, I intend to piss him off at a hundred miles an hour”, but surely he could have left the door for him to leave at least slightly ajar, because for a long time now Longstaff hasn’t looked fit for purpose (even if his surprisingly good performance against Man U was encouraging). 

[The College Dropout]

I think a Gerrard would’ve helped with a new manager boost at the least.  
 

in our situation there’s always the chance players mentally log out because they know they won’t be part of the long-term project.  A Gerrard appointment, certainly for the English players would energise them.  
 

 

IMO Bruce would have won more points if not for the toxic crowd.  

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I think a Gerrard would’ve helped with a new manager boost at the least.  
 

in our situation there’s always the chance players mentally log out because they know they won’t be part of the long-term project.  A Gerrard appointment, certainly for the English players would energise them.  
 

 

IMO Bruce would have won more points if not for the toxic crowd.  

Oh ffs 

[GWN]

13 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

I think a Gerrard would’ve helped with a new manager boost at the least.  
 

in our situation there’s always the chance players mentally log out because they know they won’t be part of the long-term project.  A Gerrard appointment, certainly for the English players would energise them.  
 

 

IMO Bruce would have won more points if not for the toxic crowd.  

 

 

No 

[Ben]

I would honestly rather have no manager than bruce

[greydos]

Where I question Howe is in his judgment of the merits of players relative to one another. Our squad is terrible but a manager has to make the most of the assets he’s got available. From day 1 he should have prioritised playing Fernandez and Schär as our best centre backs/defenders. Quite how he didn’t know Fede defends better than Clarke and Lascelles is beyond me.

 

He should have had the balls to choose a new captain (Wilson probably, or Fede) so he wasn’t hamstrung by playing Lascelles. Perhaps that would have given everyone a hunger to work harder knowing it’s a truly new regime with a clean slate. 
 

He should have got Ritchie out of left back for Lewis. At least with Lewis his natural instincts would be correct at full back. Howe should also have prioritised ability to cover ground and play short passes competently in CM. Options aren’t great but at the least don’t get overrun by putting Hayden, Willock, and one other with legs in there (we now know it’s Joe). 
 

Overall, he’s been too friendly. He talks about not wanting to hurt the squad’s egos far too much. Being a soft patsy-manager doesn’t work with these players, it’s what Bruce did. Just with high intensity interval football training. The players clearly need to know new high standards are being set. Don’t ask players to play your new system Eddie, tell them To play it!

[GWN]

Maybe he's just TOO nice?

[Armchair Pundit]

Howe has been a vast improvement on Bruce, I think the issue has been more with the players not having been properly coached for so long, not being fit enough, not having had decent fresh recruits amongst them since we came up from the Championship and a general acceptance of our predicament. That said, I can't help feeling Howe's methods probably only work sufficiently if he has decent defenders who don't need as much direction as our current crop.

[Guest neesy111]

Just now, GWN said:

Maybe he's just TOO nice?

 

I do think once he has his signings he needs to read the riot act to 1/2 the squad.

[GWN]

2 minutes ago, neesy111 said:

 

I do think once he has his signings he needs to read the riot act to 1/2 the squad.

 

By which time our fan base will want him out you watch . 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by GWN

[mighty__mag]

3 minutes ago, greydos said:

Where I question Howe is in his judgment of the merits of players relative to one another. Our squad is terrible but a manager has to make the most of the assets he’s got available. From day 1 he should have prioritised playing Fernandez and Schär as our best centre backs/defenders. Quite how he didn’t know Fede defends better than Clarke and Lascelles is beyond me.

 

He should have had the balls to choose a new captain (Wilson probably, or Fede) so he wasn’t hamstrung by playing Lascelles. Perhaps that would have given everyone a hunger to work harder knowing it’s a truly new regime with a clean slate. 
 

He should have got Ritchie out of left back for Lewis. At least with Lewis his natural instincts would be correct at full back. Howe should also have prioritised ability to cover ground and play short passes competently in CM. Options aren’t great but at the least don’t get overrun by putting Hayden, Willock, and one other with legs in there (we now know it’s Joe). 
 

Overall, he’s been too friendly. He talks about not wanting to hurt the squad’s egos far too much. Being a soft patsy-manager doesn’t work with these players, it’s what Bruce did. Just with high intensity interval football training. The players clearly need to know new high standards are being set. Don’t ask players to play your new system Eddie, tell them To play it!

 

I agree on the captaincy thing perhaps now, but that could have looked really cunty, ex Bournemouth boss comes in and makes his ex player captain?

 

Would have just annoyed too many.

 

On Fernandes, I can only put it down to a trigger on games, maybe the club have a contract agreement that will be triggered? I don't know its weird one, because as you rightly point out, he's miles better than what we have playing every week. 

[KingArthur]

Fernandes is veeeery slow also, its not like he is Maldini. Our centrebacks are awful.

[Dr Venkman]

1 hour ago, NE27 said:

 

Would you trust staveley and mehrdad again to make the managerial choice?

 

I know PIF were supposedly in agreement on Howe, but do you think they sort of just allowed AS to push on in her management of the club?

 

I think we need the right man in place as DOF before we make anymore big decisions. We need a clear vision for how they want this club to be and allow this person to make the moves.

I don’t know the answer to any of these questions but all I’d say is I would prioritise staying up this year over everything else and make decisions based on that.

[Lazarus]

If we can bring in DM and CB (or 2) we will stay up. I think there will 3 worse teams than us.

 

Just because weve got new owners doesnt mean we arnt the same shit club. Ashleys ownership will be felt for years yet - the club was literally rotting from top to bottom and as we all know,  under Bruce there was a steady decline in the players and we knew that his luck would run out and we would go down, probably this season.

 

Under Howe, yes weve dropped points in games we should won but weve made individual errors, weve had injuries, weve had poor starting line ups and poor options on the bench. Its all very well saying that Lascelles, Ritchie and Shelvey are crap and shouldnt be playing but who exactly is he supposed to play instead?

 

If Howe really is the student of the game we are led to believe, he will come good.