OverThere Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 He must be really shite in training to then because how can he be worse than what we are seeing from Wilson at the moment. We are almost playing a man down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The Prophet said: The system is fine. The problem is that our confidence in front of goal is absolutely shot. Almiron has reverted to type and Wilson has become a blunt instrument. I'd be intrigued to learn why he opted for Wilson over Isak today, on the face of it it seems odd. Agree entirely, other than a few looking a bit burnt out there’s no issue with the system (we knew that was coming anyway with our lack of depth) and our schedule really slows down now until post international break which should alleviate the fitness issues a bit. Look at Howes quote from the other day about Isak not quite being there in training, whatever that means is why Wilson is being started. Seems odd to us but the reason must be justifiable as Howe more than us will see what’s going on with Wilson. Beyond that maybe he has faith in Wilson finding the net soon? The player must be low on confidence and perhaps Howe feels that dropping him now just isn’t the answer. Edited March 4, 2023 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, Nine said: Read between the lines of Howes recent quote about Isak and you can see that he feels he’s not quite there in terms of starting. We can’t watch training so we arnt aware of what the issues are, and team selection is not always made on who is ‘better’ in each position anyway. Its fine to criticise the manager, ignore people who cry and get all emotional because you dare to question the man. But if you take a second to look at the situation it’s pretty clear that he doesn’t fancy Isak over Wilson for a reason atm, and you don’t think he sees Wilson isn’t right? It’s a fair point. Does he think Wilson’s ‘there’ in terms of starting? He’s not, and hasn’t been for ages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Isak is obviously a worse CF than Wilson for the simple reason he's not and has never been a CF. If he's going to replace Wilson we will have to play a different way and apparently Howe doesn't want to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I was just corrected on the mag when I said Isak isn't a CF so we should have bought a CF and not Gordon. IMO we still need a CF! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Isak's played most of his career as a striker and he scored lots of goals at Sociedad in the 6-yard box from crosses and skirmishes. Yes, he's not an entire replica of Wilson, but he doesn't need to be either. Bottom line is we've not given him a fair run while we're desperate for goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 He’s a striker more in the Henry mould. That is a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I couldn't see Isak playing anywhere other than CF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Jaqen said: I want him starting too but he is a different type of threat to Wilson. He's done some great individual work in his cameos but I don't think we've really looked like scoring more with him instead of Wilson. If he's pulling defenders out wide or drifting into channels you need one of the midfield three bursting into the box and the wide players making much better runs. It's not really a criticism of Isak just more that we'll have to adapt to him and work on things on the training ground to get the best out of him and the team with him in it. I'm sure we will going forward and I think the cup was a distraction in that sense. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't start changing things up now. If he has any threat in him then he’sa different type of threat because Wilson has none anymore - I always thought Wilson started because of the cup but him starting today was always the wrong decision for me. Give them a couple of games together perhaps and change things up a little. Also for me lascelles did well and is our only player who can head the ball so perhaps keep him in for a game or two and Targett has to be starting now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Isak isn’t going to get match fit without playing full matches. Unless they have a genuine concern that he’s going to get injured again. Think this spell is going to be tougher for Howe to get out of than escaping relegation to be honest. He’s made a few bad calls in recent weeks and I hate thinking that way because he’s been superb since arriving. Since January we’ve been on a decline. Now either we were much better before that point or probably more likely the other teams around us were worse and have improved significantly. So essentially there’s two paths of thinking, he’s either been doing the great job everyone has been saying but then recently has lost the edge a bit OR, his praise has been something of a false economy and essentially our dip/slide down the table is where we should be. It’s hard to accept that we could finish 7th or 8th after the season we’ve been having so I think Howe has to accept his part in that. Nobody has been forcing him to play out of form players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Nine said: Read between the lines of Howes recent quote about Isak and you can see that he feels he’s not quite there in terms of starting. We can’t watch training so we arnt aware of what the issues are, and team selection is not always made on who is ‘better’ in each position anyway. Its fine to criticise the manager, ignore people who cry and get all emotional because you dare to question the man. But if you take a second to look at the situation it’s pretty clear that he doesn’t fancy Isak over Wilson for a reason atm, and you don’t think he sees Wilson isn’t right? Then he shouldn’t have spent £63m on him and put it towards a CF he would play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Maybe he doesn’t rate isak all that much ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Like i said in the match thread he needs rid of the Bournemouth Boys Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Away Toon said: Isak is obviously a worse CF than Wilson for the simple reason he's not and has never been a CF. If he's going to replace Wilson we will have to play a different way and apparently Howe doesn't want to. I can't believe Howie would spend £60Mil on a player he didn't have plans for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: Isak isn’t going to get match fit without playing full matches. Unless they have a genuine concern that he’s going to get injured again. Think this spell is going to be tougher for Howe to get out of than escaping relegation to be honest. He’s made a few bad calls in recent weeks and I hate thinking that way because he’s been superb since arriving. Since January we’ve been on a decline. Now either we were much better before that point or probably more likely the other teams around us were worse and have improved significantly. So essentially there’s two paths of thinking, he’s either been doing the great job everyone has been saying but then recently has lost the edge a bit OR, his praise has been something of a false economy and essentially our dip/slide down the table is where we should be. It’s hard to accept that we could finish 7th or 8th after the season we’ve been having so I think Howe has to accept his part in that. Nobody has been forcing him to play out of form players. Well put and I also think this is a huge challenge for him - We’re still creating changes but I always feel top four or even top five was inflated personally but I never expected us to only put away 3 from 97 shots (read that in another thread) - you see those statistics and don’t change it then the old quote about doing the same thing over and over springs to mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I just think Eddie over-achieved massively on the players at his disposal, in getting us into the top four. We've come up short against three clubs - LIverpool, Man U and Man City - who have a signficantly better squad of players than we do. These knock-backs happen. Our limitations showed a bit at times today with our chances. Joelinton has done well but his reflexes are poor and he is not a good finisher. Likewise Longstaff tends to need that little bit of extra time and space before he gets a shot in. Wilson's attempt was just poor - he looked over-eager. City would have put away at least two of those chances. It's not all doom and gloom. We just need a win to restore the momentum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 The missed chances that our play creates probably won't be falling to Wilson, Burn, and Longstaff next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: The missed chances that our play creates probably won't be falling to Wilson, Burn, and Longstaff next season. Get Wilson off the pitch and find a way to work isak in - correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think he’s started two games on the spin for us yet. He must be thinking that this isn’t what he was sold Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, Gawalls said: Get Wilson off the pitch and find a way to work isak in - correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think he’s started two games on the spin for us yet. He must be thinking that this isn’t what he was sold Errr, Isak has been available for selection for 9 games since he returned from injury. He started 3 of them. It’s not like he’s been banished… just working his way in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 34 minutes ago, Ben said: Like i said in the match thread he needs rid of the Bournemouth Boys All one of them that's playing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, joeyt said: All one of them that's playing? And that one being a player who up until very recently was by far our most important person Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I'd be interested to know why Howe has favoured Wilson over Isak in recent weeks, despite the poor form of the former. He's said that Isak "isn't ready" but is "getting close". Does he mean in terms of fitness? Mentally? The style of play? He's never really elaborated. It looks a really strange decision from the outside looking in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 The performances of Wilson and Isak couldn't have been any starker today. I think it's very clear now what needs to happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 Just now, The Prophet said: I'd be interested to know why Howe has favoured Wilson over Isak in recent weeks, despite the poor form of the former. He's said that Isak "isn't ready" but is "getting close". Does he mean in terms of fitness? Mentally? The style of play? He's never really elaborated. It looks a really strange decision from the outside looking in. I think it's quite likely to be a 'defensive' choice as Wilson generally leads the press well which is likely viewed as important to us against top teams in terms of keeping balance while still creating chances. It was a weird comment from Howe about Isak not being quite there yet. He said a few weeks ago that he looked 'electric' in training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 22 minutes ago, joeyt said: All one of them that's playing? Aye get them out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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