Vinny Green Balls Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I think it’s fair to wonder if there’s another step we need to take to get to the truly elite level. I wouldn’t necessarily put it down to Howe alone, probably a combination of all the staff and players. But even if that is true it’s very understandable at this point in our progression. So far Howe has shown a remarkable ability to learn and improve. Nothing wrong with that, but a few have already made up their minds as far back as October of 21. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, FLUMPO235 said: Jesus, on another site I’ve seen someone saying Howe is now under pressure to keep his job. I hope bruno has had his social media locked. That’s pathetic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Gawalls said: Yeah I’m not one for conspiracy theories but do you not find it strange we got drawn against three of the four teams to beat us last season for first three games? i know it levels out as everyone has to play everyone but I honestly thought when I saw the fixtures “there’s gonna be some serious over reactions here” Yep we all knew the over reaction was coming, aye that’s the PL for you, the only surprise was we weren’t away for all 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, FLUMPO235 said: Jesus, on another site I’ve seen someone saying Howe is now under pressure to keep his job. I hope bruno has had his social media locked. Think the best we can do with that kind of stuff is not dignify it with an answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 I'm just thankful that it's only a few people on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 I said before the season kicked off, with playing 4 of last seasons top 8 in the first 4 games a good return would be 4-6 points, then we can kick on after the international break Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, The Prophet said: The game plan was fine. We came out second half, Gordon had TAA on toast and it looked like matter of time. Then around the hour mark we started to gas and Liverpool began to grow in confidence and see more of the ball. He tried to freshen it up, but he probably hooked Tonali too soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Unless you predicted that we'd stay up comfortably in 22 and get 4th in 23, don't bother saying he's not elite or he's taken us as far as he can. He's a relatively young manager who has a record of defying the odds, just enjoy the ride and stop stressing out about it. I have no idea how good Eddie can be but see no reason why he can't keep on surprising people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 It's just the extremes get irritating. Criticism is fine, but after a narrow loss to the best team in Europe and a smash and grab defeat to a decent Liverpool outfit we have fans questioning Howe and the transfer committee. Don't win next week and it'll only get worse too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, FLUMPO235 said: Jesus, on another site I’ve seen someone saying Howe is now under pressure to keep his job. I hope bruno has had his social media locked. Everyone just wants to be Man City now. If they don't have the kinds of players they have or play the same way, it's endless complaining and dissatisfaction with every little hiccup. Incredibly toxic. No patience or room allowed for any manager that is not Pep to develop their team, try different things and grow. 'You have to win something' now culture. With no respect for the arduous painstaking process. Edited August 27, 2023 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikenewcastle Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 27 minutes ago, Theregulars said: I’ll go through them again: - cup final: lost - CL crunch run-in: Leeds away scabby draw, Leicester home very nervy, Brighton home fantastic - last year away games vs sky 6: lost at Liverpool, lost at Man City, drew at arsenal, drew at Manchester United, won at Tottenham, drew at Chelsea - meh record - cup semi last year: it gets forgotten but we laboured massively. Adam Armstrong was fucking unlucky not to tie the home leg 1-1. - last year home games vs sky 6: great draw v city, meek against arsenal, great win against Manchester United, poor loss against Liverpool, good win vs Chelsea, destroyed spurs - this year first 2 big games: lost with poor performances. The point I’m making is, on evidence, his record on big occasions isn’t great. I don’t think it’s as wild a take as you’re making it out to be. This is before we remember all the really disappointing performances last year when we couldn’t score. He is a very very good manager, I sense that he isn’t elite. I hope I’m wrong. - cup final performance was disappointing but in line with the way we playing during a poor run of form - we lost twice away to Sky 6 and were not bad in either game. - we were by far the better side in the first leg and had a goal disallowed for no reason, 2nd leg was wrapped up early - you admit we played well in 4/6 homes game v Sky 6 - Villa game was probably the biggest occasion so far and we battered a good team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 14 minutes ago, The Prophet said: The game plan was fine. We came out second half, Gordon had TAA on toast and it looked like matter of time. Then around the hour mark we started to gas and Liverpool began to grow in confidence and see more of the ball. He tried to freshen it up, but he probably hooked Tonali too soon. It was apparent from the moment we started almost aimlessly knocking it around like we were controlling the game at 1-0 that we were playing with fire imo. I've never known us to take our foot off the gas like we did today and I hope it never happens again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 I wish sometimes he would go berserk on the sidelines when the games turning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) So many people just completely fail to understand how big of a role variance plays in football. If the ball wouldn’t have bounced from Botman’s arse to his heel and straight to Nunez we most likely win. If Nunez hits the post and it bounces off we likely win. If one of Almiron’s shots that hit bar and post go in or Barnes plays that ball to Wilson who was all alone we win. Absolutely no one would be questioning Howe’s record in big matches or say that Klopp schooled him today if even one of those spots go differently. Some people seriously need to calm down and not look at every result like it’s the last match of football that will ever be played. Howe could’ve done better today with his subs and tactics when we had the man advantage but the result was extremely unlucky and never a reason to doubt whether Howe is good enough or not for us in the long term. He’s done an otherworldly job so far and it’s disappointing how many fans are questioning him after losing to Man City away and unluckily to Liverpool at home after decimating a really good Villa side three (!) weeks to the season. Edited August 27, 2023 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, Kid Icarus said: It was apparent from the moment we started almost aimlessly knocking it around like we were controlling the game at 1-0 that we were playing with fire imo. I've never known us to take our foot off the gas like we did today and I hope it never happens again. Thinking back, we got into loads of good positions but then refused to get the ball in the box on many occasions. We've never been great controllers under Howe and maybe he's trying to introduce more balance to the side as part of the next evolution but it felt off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Pata said: So many people just completely fail to understand how big of a role variance plays in football. If the ball wouldn’t have bounced from Botman’s arse to his backheel and straight to Nunez we most likely win. If one of Almiron’s shots that hit bar and post go in or Barnes plays that ball to Wilson who was all alone we win. Absolutely no one would be questioning Howe’s record in big matches or say that Klopp schooled him today if even one of those spots go differently. Some people seriously need to calm down and not look at every result like it’s the last match of football that will ever be played. Howe could’ve done better today with his subs and tactics when we had the man advantage but the result was extremely unlucky and never a reason to doubt whether Howe is good enough or not for us in the long term. He’s done an otherworldly job so far and it’s disappointing how many fans are questioning him after losing to Man City away and unluckily to Liverpool at home after decimating a really good Villa side three (!) weeks to the season. I was preparing to come on here and say “I’m not sure why we didn’t manage to get another goal, but we deserved a couple and at least we ground out the win”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Maybe against the top sides he’s trying to control possession and be patient and against the weaker sides be more free flowing and go for the jugular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonFC Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Howe struggles against the top managers, fact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Gallowgate Toon said: Thinking back, we got into loads of good positions but then refused to get the ball in the box on many occasions. We've never been great controllers under Howe and maybe he's trying to introduce more balance to the side as part of the next evolution but it felt off. We can do it like, we do it loads and we're decent at it, but I've never seen us do it at 1-0 against an elite team that can punish you with one good ball. It's normally at 3 or 4 nil that we start playing passy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: It was apparent from the moment we started almost aimlessly knocking it around like we were controlling the game at 1-0 that we were playing with fire imo. I've never known us to take our foot off the gas like we did today and I hope it never happens again. TBF we were controlling the game. Although I did know that we needed another goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, WinstonFC said: Howe struggles against the top managers, fact. End of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 What happened to our shithousery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, WinstonFC said: Howe struggles against the top managers, fact. You do realise most managers struggle against top managers, hence the reason they are top managers... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Myleftboot said: What happened to our shithousery? I wonder whether we’re trying to prove we don’t need it in response to these new rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCOCOL Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, mofo said: You do realise most managers struggle against top managers, hence the reason they are top managers... I used to like klopp now he’s a c**t i used to like our fans… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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