Eddie Howe

[Sufi]

The penalty was bullshit. Shouldn’t have happened. 
 

If it doesn’t happen, we aren’t having this discussion.

 

This isn’t about Howe it’s about officiating. We played fantastic. 

[The College Dropout]

12 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

It's the Wolves paradox all over again. If he chances it and we concede he gets criticised.

He should've twisted then too.

 

Eddie doesn't seem to mind riding waves and waves of attack if he's got what he thinks are his best options out. Other lads have to make themselves options when they get the chance. Eddie's not going to just give them minutes because so and so is knackered the way Rafa would.

 

I think he had to wait too long but Tino took his chance. Murph took his chance. Lascelles took his chance.

 

Edit: This is aimed squarely at Lewis Hall. Got time on his hands and loads of quality but he's going to have to earn his minutes.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by The College Dropout

[patrone]

Fuck me, there's some right whoppers on here.

 

We've just won 5-2, against PSG, over two legs, and still it's not good enough ?

[timeEd32]

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"Yes I do," Howe said, when asked if he felt a sense of injustice at the decision. "In my opinion it's not the right decision, but you fear the worst when it goes to the monitor.

"The speed of it and the ricochet, slowed down, looks different. The ball hits Tino's chest and then hits his arm, but it's not an unnatural movement.

 

"It was a poor decision with so little time left, but there's nothing we can do with it now.

 

"I have to control myself, that's my job. It doesn't do any good to lose control of what you think and say."

 

"I feel sorry for the players who performed so well in such difficult circumstances," Howe said. "We will look at the positives of what the players gave, they were totally committed to what we want to do.

 

"There were some massive performances and we are still in the competition, so we should look at the positives not negatives.

 

"It will take time for the emotions to turn to a positive, but the players have been absolutely outstanding."

 

[Nobody]

When was the last time a pot four team took 4 (never mind 6) points off the top seed in the CL? 

[Pata]

Think he has shown some nice growth in these CL away matches. Milan was a bad performance, Dortmund better and this first half against the toughest opponent was really good and we were able to keep possession nicely. Second half we really needed some fresh legs for the last 35 minutes but it's a shame we didn't really have them available. Bringing on Hall (and even Dummett for the dying minutes) could've been alright but it's not exactly easy to tell who he should've replaced as Tino and Tripps were always playing the full 90 and Miley didn't look that tired. Maybe for Isak and hope Gordon has something left up top.

 

Would've taken these results in the group 10 times out of 10 before KO today but that disgusting decision really leaves a sour taste and it's easy to forget a point is really good and PSG deserved something out of that for all that xG before the penalty.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Pata

[timeEd32]

Yeah, they deserved a draw (or more). But they didn’t deserve that draw.

[Arknor]

howe needs to tell isak to stop aiming for goal, aim for the arm like mbappe and scream pen all game

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

Yeah, they deserved a draw (or more). But they didn’t deserve that draw.

They were so bad in front of goal they didn’t deserve anything. They were never scoring from open play. 
 

I told my wife, as much as we look like we want to concede by constantly giving them the ball and inviting chances. PSG look more determined not to score. Half chance - miss. Good chance - Pope is going to save it. 

[Memphis]

The thing that I think makes Eddie Howe a truly world class manager is his unusual (for this level of manager) ability to learn from his own mistakes. He took time after Bournemouth to overhaul his thought process defensively and has now become fantastic at drilling defensive shapes with us. 

 

For Milan and Dortmund, he didn't want the players to train at the stadium the night before the match, preferring to stay in Newcastle longer. But for this match he took the team over earlier for training and we absolutely looked far more comfortable as a result. 

 

He modified our pressing structure last year as the season went on, he modified the formation against PSG to operate more flat in a 4-5-1 rather than the 4-3-3, I could go on. 

 

He's humble and ready to admit when he gets it wrong. I was always told, 'Never waste a failure.' and I think he's a great example of that concept. 

 

And the players obviously respond to his methods. I cannot ask for more and I cannot imagine a better manager for us in the position we are in.

[andycap]

Would've hoyed hall on for gordon or isak and just played 5-5-0 for the last ten minutes. 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by andycap

[Guest]

Not sure I'd have made a sub tbf. We rode our luck at times but we were at a stage where the players were drilled into doing one thing for about the last 20-30 minutes, fully focused. It's sometimes hard to get thrown into that and be expected to pick up on that straight away, more likely to switch off, or close down at the wrong time, etc. Thought we were fine.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Optimistic Nut

[Myleftboot]

6 hours ago, Sufi said:

The penalty was bullshit. Shouldn’t have happened. 
 

If it doesn’t happen, we aren’t having this discussion.

 

This isn’t about Howe it’s about officiating. We played fantastic. 

Also the 8 extra minutes.

[The Prophet]

 

[Yorkie]

If he makes a sub last night it is an absolute punt of the most finger-in-the-air variety. Don't blame him at all for sticking with the players who'd held out for 94 minutes (i.e. the entire game in any other season).

[Geogaddi]

Madness some of the comments in here , if we took off Isak for Dummett or Hall then conceded, the same people would be complaining at Eddie for taking off a striker for a defender and inviting more pressure .

[r0cafella]

I don’t think it madness and asking for players who can barely move to subbed isn’t outrageous. Doesn’t mean the outcome would have changed but generally when hanging out you make subs to disrupt the opposition and to enhance solidity. 

[Lush Vlad]

It’s not really madness. To suggest that maybe, we could have brought on a player or two to disrupt the game or get someone on the pitch that could break into a jog. Isak was totally spent and Gordon could have gone up top to make a nuisance of himself. 

Haven’t really seen anyone suggesting that he’s made some catastrophic error in not doing so or criticising him. More that they’re questioning could the disruption or fresh legs have changed anything. Arguments for and against. Sometimes in the same post. Can see both sides of it.
 

Fans are always going to review what could have been done differently after a result. I’m sure Howe does the same win, lose or draw.  
 

Hard to legislate for the incompetence from the officials at the end, of course and I guess this discussion has come about because of that more than anything.  

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by Lush Vlad

[The Butcher]

Would've brought on Dummett as we were camped in our box. 

 

Probably Hall as well.

 

Can see why he didn't mind.

[Geordie Ahmed]

I can understand why he didn't want to change the defence/midfield as they were no doubt in the zone and each had their defensive duties to not interfere with one another

 

Isak was running on empty, at the time I did feel having Parkinson on to just run along the pitch would have made sense. Not like Isak was seeing the ball and when he did he would just give it away (iirc he gave it away just before Dembele put that cross in)

[Scoot]

If we hadn't have been shafted by the officials, no-one would be talking about whether Howe should or shouldn't have fetched on any subs.

[Tisd09]

1 minute ago, Scoot said:

If we hadn't have been shafted by the officials, no-one would be talking about whether Howe should or shouldn't have fetched on any subs.

 Agreed, hindsight is a wonderful thing, Hall or Dummett on for Isak and Gordon furthers forward 'could' have been a better option than what we had, Isak had nothing left in the end, that being said, if we did make that change and we conceded Howe probably would have taken criticism off some.

[Wilson]

6 hours ago, andycap said:

Would've hoyed hall on for gordon or isak and just played 5-5-0 for the last ten minutes. 

 

 

 

 

It's a ridiculously tough choice, we were defending like fucking heroes and you don't really want to change the dynamic. 

 

I'm not sure it needed the change, aye they were tired but they would have held on but for a ridiculous decision imo. 

[Cf]

42 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

If he makes a sub last night it is an absolute punt of the most finger-in-the-air variety. Don't blame him at all for sticking with the players who'd held out for 94 minutes (i.e. the entire game in any other season).

 

Yeah that was my thinking too even though Isak could barely move.

 

Maybe put Dummet in for him as an extra man back there but what does that do to our shape?

 

He was just in a no-win situation with the state of our bench.

[Monters]

6 minutes ago, Wilson said:

 

It's a ridiculously tough choice, we were defending like fucking heroes and you don't really want to change the dynamic. 

 

I'm not sure it needed the change, aye they were tired but they would have held on but for a ridiculous decision imo. 

Probably would have found another 5 minutes of injury time per sub too!
Don't feel any aspect of the club needs criticizing for last night... as someone said earlier with a full squad we would expect to be more competitive but first half I thought we shaded it and second half exhaustion, nerves and ultimately the ref killed us